Blog Replay: Deal's State of the State Address

Read Patch's live coverage of Nathan Deal's State of the State speech Tuesday night.

Here is your chance to share your thoughts and ask questions about the Governor's speech.

lee kellogg January 17, 2012 at 04:48 PM
Bill, Calling Americans tyrants of any kind, and I don't think you have mounted an electoral campaign for President of Definitions, is really bad form. But by your own language, "...Depending on the votes," you are objecting to a decision the majority of voters made. I doubt there has ever been a 50.1% vs 49.9 % election, but if there has, if the rules are that the majority wins, it's not tyranny of any kind, it's democracy. Now if you object to that rule, or believe there is another country where your version of common sense is better than anyone else's, okay, i'm for you letting me know where it is. I'm under the impression, I don't know that much about it, that the Splost funds have a lot to do with the way transportation decisions in my adopted home state are made. I think the highway system, at least in Gwinette County, is excellent. Except for two hours in the morning and two more in the evening, and excluding the expressways. No transportation agency, local, state,anti-regionalist, or federal, could control that amount of traffic in a perfect manner. Well, except maybe in New York City or London where lots of people consider trains to be the solution. Taxes are supposed to be spent making the lives of the majority better. That also is not tyranny. Maybe you could further explain your plans to eliminate traffic and tyranny. Lowering your personal tax rate probably won't work.
SOGTP January 17, 2012 at 06:06 PM
lee - a pure democracy is tyranny, because 50% +1 person can vote to steal from 50% -1. "Tyranny, BROADLY DEFINED, is the use of power to dehumanize the individual and delegitimize his nature. Political utopianism is tyranny disguised as a desirable, workable, and even paradisiacal governing ideology. There are, of course, unlimited utopian constructs, for the mind is capable of infinite fantasies. But there are common themes. The fantasies take the form of grand social plans or experiments, the impracticability and impossibility of which, in a small way and large, lead to the individuals subjugation." - Mark Levin, Ameritopia There a definition from some other person than me. This grand construct to tax regions and centrally plan transportation is a utopian construct. The regional vote is tyranny, because it deligitimizes the citizens human nature to participate in a republican form of government. T-SPLOST is mobocracy and it disenfranchises hundreds of thousands. Politicians can't eliminate traffic. They can only tax you to build more projects that become filled with traffic. It would not be tyranny if the state legislature just told all the counties to collect 1%, or told them to take a vote by county, or raised the MUFT 15.5cents. The Regional vote is the problem.
lee kellogg January 18, 2012 at 02:43 PM
Bill, Democracy = tyranny. Okay, I get it, definitions are infinitely malleable and you are the the Intelligent Designer, the man who gets to decide what is means. "Politicians can't eliminate traffic." Which came first, the traffic or the roads or the tax breaks for businesses that tempted the traffic? The Constitutional guarantee of free speech doesn't mean you get to make up definitions and call Americans ugly names. Of course you can, but that doesn't make it true or patriotic. If you think hundreds of thousands feel they are disenfranchised (I'd like to know where you get your figures) you all should find the place where democracy doesn't tyrannically disenfranchise so, so many poor victims, and send that data along. Mark Levin:, propagandist, political hack, moron.
SOGTP January 18, 2012 at 08:29 PM
lee - In every instance from every philosopher from Plato to Montesquieu democracy leads to tyranny. And I mean from a mobocracy standpoint. It is not my definition. And, yes politicians can't fix traffic. If they could why is there horrible traffic in all of our cities? I'm not the intelligent designer, you obviously are if you want to throw-out republicanism and proportional voting. You want an outcome that fits your vision and it does not matter who you injure. Ever read Montesquieu?
lee kellogg January 19, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Oh Bill, If democracy doesn't = tyranny, it = mob rule. Do you keep the gods of hyperbole in your basement? These are American you are vilifying. Or is it just some specific sample of Americans you call a mob? If you have surveyed every philosopher from Plato to Montesquieu, you haven't had time to breathe. What about Montaigne, Hume, Emerson? I know Emerson is too close to contemporary for your tastes, but he is American. French elites aren't my normal reading material, but okay. What work are you reading; Persian Letters or The Spirit of the Laws and what translation? Just so we're on the same page. If, by any tiny chance, you are selecting quotes from Levin's selection of quotes, I can refer you to a more reliable source.


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