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Why I Think About Mark Toro (Every Day)

You've heard me talk a lot about Mark Toro and Avalon. I'll try to explain why.

I think about Mark Toro on almost a daily basis.  No -  I have not gone to work for North American Properties and Mark Toro is not coming to me for gardening advice or any advice at all.  I've never spoken to him in person and I'm not even sure I've seen him, except the back of his head as he spoke to City Council. Nevertheless, every single day as I take a left into Piedmont Park to get to my job at the ABG, I see Ansley Park to the right and I think about Mark Toro.  

I think about him because he lives where I work - the Ansley Park area in midtown.  It seemed important to Mark Toro to let us know he lives in midtown. And why did Mr. Toro share this personal information?  I think it had something to do with trying to convey to us that he's very much in the thick of things, that he enjoys the city with its art, gardens, restaurants; that he's young - well, young thinking anyway - because he lives in town near a lot of 30-something year old's. All these things conveyed to us that he knows and understands desirable locations and therefore understands how to make Avalon an awesome place and Alpharetta a desirable location with young people, art, culture, and restaurants. 

That's awesome.  If only he could do it.  Ansley Park is well over 100 years old. The Woodruff Arts Center and the High Museum and Piedmont Park and the Atlanta Botanical Garden and all the great restaurants - they didn't just spring up overnight.  Took awhile.  A long while.  And the young people, yea, they're in town. I work with them and eat lunch every day with them.  I'll bet I hang with them more than Mark Toro does.  A different generation from me and Mark Toro, that's for sure.  Will they come to my town though?  Hmmm.  

I wish Mark Toro every success.  This blog is not a complaint against Avalon. May it be all North American Properties has implied it will be.  

But...

Avalon will not make Alpharetta culturally relevant.  Only Alpharetta can make Alpharetta culturally relevant.  And young people will not make Alpharetta "cool". Cool people will make Alpharetta cool.  And as far as desirability....Alpharetta already is desirable.  The quest is to keep it desirable.  These things are categorically different from the success of development projects.  

The success of future developments like Avalon and the downtown City Center in Alpharetta is first of all dependent upon a good economy where people are spending discretionary income due to having jobs.  It is second of all dependent upon a certain je ne sais quoi, a magic sort of thing you can't pin down that just has to do with being in the right place at the right time and having had a sense, both aesthetic and businesslike, that was in a word - right.  

Mark Toro August 10, 2012 at 01:02 pm
Thank you for your interest in Avalon, Julie.
I look forward to meeting you and sharing how we intend to bring that certain je ne sai quois to Alpharetta. Maybe we can have a cup of coffee at Highland Bakery, or better yet, at Alpha Soda. Be well, Mark
Lee at rootsinalpharetta.com August 10, 2012 at 01:53 pm
I also remember when Mr Toro said he lived in Midtown. I wondered why he doesn't live at Atlantic Station?
I had to google je ne sais quoi.
Rob Forrest August 10, 2012 at 02:39 pm
Alpharetta and midtown are the same high end demographic -- high paying high end world class employers and their educated workforce. And people that have high standards for everything including education, entertainment, retail, food, etc.
The only difference is Alpharetta is families and midtown is singles or couples without kids living at home (young professionals without kids or very young ones or empty nesters). What Avalon and downtown Alpharetta will bring is some of the in town style and urbanism feel to us and the people that will live there will be these midtown demographic - young professionals and empty nesters. So all those people in windward that have seen their kids go to Lake Windward then Alpharetta High don't have to move to midtown when they want to downsize. Over time downtown and Avalon will grow together as one and that'll be the urban core of Alpharetta. It's a great time for Alpharetta and I'm working on helping out and being a part of it as much as possible
Mark Toro August 10, 2012 at 02:53 pm
Thanks for your support, Rob. As you correctly point out, Midtown and Alpharetta have their similarities, but there is a vast difference in how we address our guests' needs in each market. We will provide an experience to Alpharetta residents that is directly responsive to their expressed desires. Having recently completed an in-depth survey of Alpharetta residents and stakeholders, we are confident that we will provide just what the community is seeking.
Julie Hogg August 10, 2012 at 07:59 pm
Great! Email me at jahhogg@bellsouth.net and let's set it up.
Julie Hogg August 10, 2012 at 08:03 pm
Rob - Midtown and Alpharetta are worlds apart in my view. And not everyone will want to downsize.... It's always interesting to hear developers predict the future.
W. Beck August 10, 2012 at 09:49 pm
I'm a 20-something person who just bought a house in Alpharetta. I'd love to see more bars and restaurants downtown that I can walk to.
Downtown Crabapple has more options than Alpharetta.
No Name August 10, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Not everyone wants to live in an urban setting which is why many bought in Alpharetta as a SUBURB.
We will want to downsize at some point but we want more land when we do. Actually population studies show that rural retirement migration is a trend. See http://www.springer.com/social+sciences/population+studies/book/978-1-4020-6894-2 "While the majority of older persons are residentially stable, those who migrate are disproportionately likely to move to a rural community."
No Name August 10, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Most of the people we know who are dealing with aging parents (ourselves included) would have to pry their parents out of their homes before they would leave. They seem to be clinging to that last bit of independence they have or they feel a certain comfort in their known surroundings. That gives credence to the "residentially stable" argument above.
Julie Hogg August 10, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Hi W. Beck,
Agreed - Crabapple is excellent for walking to Erwoods, Sip, Olde Blind Dog, Milton's etc. Would be nice to have same walkability to many such desirable restaurants in downtown Alpharetta.
No Name August 10, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Think most in Alpharetta would be thrilled with the inviting scale and quaintness of Crabapple. Much of the appeal is the atmosphere of mature trees and the fact that it was created over time.
Julie Hogg August 10, 2012 at 11:49 pm
A certain "I just don't know what it is". Yes, Thank You, Mrs. Earhart for being the French teacher who taught me just enough French to sound like I really can speak it (which I cannot!).
Julie Hogg August 10, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Yes, Crabapple is the subject I haven't blogged much about but which is dear to me for many reasons, from Celestine Sibley to the Colemans, to the Dinsmore's to the current who-all-is-there. I should definitely blog more about it.
David Cox August 11, 2012 at 12:02 am
Hi No Name,
You nailed that one.
Paula Milliard August 11, 2012 at 01:39 pm
Build it with less density and more greenery. Keep it flowing with gathering places for people........give it an identity. This is a more 21st century approach.
By less dense, I mean pleasantly populated. Yes, townhouses close to town or some in town, but clustered and surrounded with greenery and worked around old trees. A solution to energize downtown........Our identity......our marketing niche. The Alpharetta Inn..... West side of village....Savannah Style architecture, small, about 20 rooms. Located west side, near corner of Milton Ave & Roswell-Canton St's. Bed & Breakfast's...... A few, maybe one behind Mitties in that cute old building that can't quite make it as a restaurant. We have two prominent anchors: the CITY HALL to the East and the ALPHARETTA INN to the west. In-between we fill with shops, galleries and cafe's. We promote pleasantly populated old southern style charm downtown and as people walk to Avalon it becomes younger more modern atmosphere. Last year I sugguested a Boutique Hotel and a terraced plaza filled with restaurants for Avalon. I noticed those design ideas were incorporated into proposed plans for Roswell. Just maybe my design idea of an Alpharetta Inn and Bed & Breakfast's with Southern charm may work for us.
Mark Toro August 11, 2012 at 02:16 pm
Great ideas, Paula. Keep 'em coming!
No Name August 11, 2012 at 03:12 pm
Paula, you're getting there. If I had to summarize in two words, I'd say: "Think Crabapple."
Distinguish City Center from Avalon. Right now it is too much the same. Give people a reason to want to come into our quaint town, not get off 400, stop at Avalon and then go home. Quaint makes people linger.
Julie Hogg August 11, 2012 at 03:58 pm
Before I romanticize Crabapple too much though - do remember it has it's own set or problems: a state highway running through it, traffic snarls, too many trees taken out which makes for an enormous heat island effect, an odd 5 way intersection. But, it is historically "quaint" and the problems I just mentioned are ameliorated by that. Alpharetta though - a different animal.
Travis Allen August 11, 2012 at 08:03 pm
I wouldn't harp too much about too many trees taken out in Crabapple...the majority of the removed trees were less than 50-60 years in age at the time of removal. In looking at photos from the 1940's and 50's you see mostly farmland, without too many trees.
Julie Hogg August 11, 2012 at 08:18 pm
Hi Travis,
The picture I posted with this blog: http://alpharetta.patch.com/blog_posts/watch-video-of-council-voting-to-ax-65-trees is actually of the land being clear cut for development of the northwest quadrant of Crabapple. Many, many trees came down.
PhatNate August 11, 2012 at 10:23 pm
@Julie..The saying that someone “can't see the forest for the trees” is a reference to people who get so involved with the details of a situation that they lose sight of the larger issue.
Julie Hogg August 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm
yea, but "you've got to go out on a limb sometimes because that's where the fruit is." --Will Rogers

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