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City Council Votes To Take Out 65 Trees at New City Center

Alpharetta City Council apparently has no regard for trees, the Tree Ordinance or beauty.

Wait.  Did Alpharetta City Council just approve a change in the tree save plan for Alpharetta's new "new" City Center plan?  Did City Council just decide to take out 65 trees in the new "new" City Center plan and only leave 15 trees - a change from the original plan?  Did this get any ahead of time mention before last Monday's Council meeting? You mean to tell me those beautiful old oaks and other trees will be chopped down?  

If this is true - and I'm waiting for someone to tell me this isn't true - then what is it about trees that this Council seems to hate so much? Why is our City Council anti-tree?  Or, should I ask, is this relatively young City Council all about rushing into new development at any price - even if it has no regard for our ordinances, plain common sense and tasteful aesthetics?    

There is a great blog on the Next American City website called "Planting Trees Is Like Not Eating a Marshmallow".  The point the writer is trying to make is that, unlike beautiful buildings or sculpture or hardscape features that can look stunningly beautiful when new, trees are an exception to the "new" rule.  They actually are more beautiful when they are mature.  And hey - guess what - you cannot plant a mature tree.  All those trees that they will be planting at the new "new" City Center, I don't care if they are maples or common crape myrtles - they will be young and transplantable, probably ordinary, servicable, plain- not mature and majestic.  To sacrifice the mature, majestic trees that are already in place and that have been hard at work establishing themselves for decades now, is to waste money and beauty and throw ridicule at the effort of time.   It is folly, wasteful, arrogant.  

You simply cannot replace the inexpressible something of a mature and majestic tree that has been hard at work growing for 50-80 years with a puny stick from a local nursery.  It's not the same thing.  And it shows great disrespect for history. 

Julie Hogg July 16, 2012 at 01:42 pm
To no name above. I would also like to ask the NRC (Tree Commission) if any of them were informed ahead of time. I do not know. I would be interested even in knowing if the city arborist knew ahead of time. All these are questions worth finding the answers to.
Deb Zemlock July 16, 2012 at 02:00 pm
Neither the NRC nor the City Arborist were informed or consulted regarding the revised City Center plan and it's implication to the existing tree canopy.
Travis Allen July 16, 2012 at 04:40 pm
What you find outrageous, I see as typical of Alpharetta City Council.
No Name July 16, 2012 at 04:40 pm
Rules and process are for little people.
Julie Hogg July 16, 2012 at 07:37 pm
I think it is outrageous that this Council would show so little respect to their appointees on Tree Commission and to the staff associated with them.
Deb Zemlock July 17, 2012 at 03:26 pm
I believe that this City Council feels they were elected to help jump start the local economy by remaking the downtown area, and I think that is true. But if we, the citizens who elected them, disagree with aspects of their approach, it is our duty and our right to speak up. We unfortunately missed an opportunity to make comments during the June 11th and June 18th City Council mtgs. in which this revised plan was discussed. But I hope it is not too late to still give citizen input, and ask for reconsideration of the site plan layout.
David Belle Isle July 17, 2012 at 03:27 pm
I just want to say thank you to all who have taken the time to research and weigh in on the Downtown plan. It has always been a passionate issue for me, and it remains so. Thank you Julie for posting this blog. Travis and Lee, even though you don't live in our City, I welcome your comments. They hold me to humility. David Cox, you're a good friend and I value your perspective on all things natural.
To all, your thoughts and opinions matter a great deal to me. We are working to preserve as many trees as possible and still accomplish a vibrant Downtown. Frankly, it probably won't be enough to make everyone happy. I would note that the sketch for the bond would have required the removal of nearly the same number of trees (a number which I do not believe has been actually established), as the garage next to Publix is the primary offender. I'm here to serve, and I would be happy to speak to anyone on this, or any other items. My cell phone is 404-310-1336. We will also be having a town hall meeting soon (details to follow), and I would love for you to come and be heard.
Deb Zemlock July 17, 2012 at 03:51 pm
Thank you also, Mr. Mayor, and we look forward to having an upcoming forum to air concerns. I just wish the designers could look at the current site and put buildings and parking lots in areas that are already barren, built or paved, and save the treed areas as passive park spaces. Wouldn't that make sense?
No Name July 17, 2012 at 06:06 pm
1. The trees behind Publix are a red herring. The blood-pressure issue for most are the trees in Brooke Street Park -- an area that was promised to remain a passive park based on legal grounds (land purchased with park bond money), verbal assurances, and artists renderings prior to the bond issue vote.
2. There were architectural options that avoided placement of buildings such that Brooke Street Park could be fully preserved, but the subteam (Belle Isle, Owens, Mitchell) obviously did not place tree preservation as a priority because those options were rejected. 3. I am thankful for Travis and Lee's comments that show concern in much the same way that out-of-city campaign contributions were appreciated. 4. It is good that there will be further discussion on this issue but really, it should never have gotten to this. This all happened because a subset of Council was allowed to make decisions as a body unto themselves in secrecy. There was a push to get this done in 3 days, remember????? We only got the hearing on the 18th because of concerned citizens questioning the "rush." 5. I want someone to prove to me that all those Brooke Street Park trees *must* be removed in order for downtown to be profitable. And explain why this wasn't fully articulated before the bond vote. This is bait-and-switch!
Julie Hogg July 17, 2012 at 08:40 pm
Mr. Mayor, although I can tell by your tone that you've learned a thing or two from Mark Toro of North American Properties when it comes to responding to critics (I mean, seriously, you thank me for posting this blog? I don't even thank me for posting this blog. I didn't want to post such troubling news!) Nonetheless, what I'd really like to see you and the rest of Council DO is to make centerpieces out of our trees, in particular, those with a few years on them. We keep telling you about all the mileage you can get from this. People want to see beautiful, mature trees. It's a simple concept that any architect or landscape architect can and will design his/her plans around.
No Name July 17, 2012 at 08:46 pm
Amen
Travis Allen July 17, 2012 at 09:55 pm
A large 100+ year old oak on Brooke Street was heard singing earlier:
"Hey! I just grow here... my leaves are shady...but so's the council...so save me maybe..."
Truthseeker July 17, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Julie, apparently the mayor needed to read in a blog that Alpharetta residents would not be for the removal of 65 specimen trees. Can someone please inform him and council of Alpharetta's tree ordinance? I know, that's for us to obey and not for the city. This whole bond referendum bait and switch is more than a little disturbing.
No Name July 17, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Dear Leaves,
Wave buh-bye. Signed, Chainsaw
Bob Pepalis (Editor) July 18, 2012 at 08:53 pm
The city told me just a few minutes ago that Alpharetta City Council will discuss trees at the City Center site during their Monday, Aug. 6 meeting in City Hall. It should be an interesting discussion. Who else will be there?
Phil Cochran July 19, 2012 at 02:58 am
Wow for whatever reason living in Milton seems so serene now. Plus we have plenty of trees. Good Luck to all you in Alpharetta looks as if you all have a little bit of a rough road ahead of you. Whatever you do keep your Mayor and Council members Honest. DO not let them speak out of both sides of their mouths.
Paula Milliard July 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm
The NW corner should remain the location for the new city hall. I creates a focal point. Everything else can be built with a flow back to the park.
The current design plan is too compromised at this point. Areas are too boxed in and sectioned off. The parking, delivery and tree preservation are too compromised. It may cost us now to redesign this plan BUT saves our city and reflects our priorities. Who agrees with me ? What can we do to change this current design?
Truthseeker July 19, 2012 at 05:27 pm
The only honest, moral and ethical thing to do is to have as much discussion and citizen input into the new design as the one voters approved. Anything less is abuse of government. That means months of artist drawings and public meetings. Sell people one thing and then slip in a new plan that no one recognizes is an abuse of government. This entire city center bond referendum is a disgusting display of why voters have NO confidence in anything politicians say and what government does.
Paula Milliard July 19, 2012 at 05:48 pm
Then maybe we should have a special election to reverse the approval of the City Center plan. Wonder if that is possible.
Julie Hogg July 19, 2012 at 08:29 pm
I definitely agree with you that the plan should reflect our priorities.
Michael Cross July 20, 2012 at 02:18 pm
We've asked City staff to determine the number of trees that will be removed; however, I can correct some inaccuracies now.
Rearranging the design so that City Hall is moved into a portion of the Brooke Street Park area likely only displaces three additional trees. Shifting the parking garage (by pivoting it so that it's on an angle and a bit closer to Publix) probably displaces seven additional trees. As such, it appears as though the difference between the concept drawing and the actual, professionally prepared plan is 10 trees - not 65. Please keep in mind the concept drawing presented to the voters and approved overwhelmingly clearly contemplated the parking garage in almost the identical area where the parking garage is now located. This is what will cause many trees to be removed.
Julie Hogg July 20, 2012 at 11:41 pm
I will post a new blog this weekend to deal with the above comments from Mr. Cross.
No Name July 21, 2012 at 02:42 am
This is ridiculous. The pre-bond rendering placed City Hall OUTSIDE the Brooke Street Park. The post-bond rendering places City Hall INSIDE the Brooke Street park. Anyone looking at the site can tell that a 12,000 square foot footprint is going to take out more than 3 trees. How foolish do you think we are? Also it is not like you are going to drop it in from the sky. There will need to be significant grading so it doesn't just affect the trees that are in the direct footprint. Also there is no telling how many root systems you will disturb such that we will get a slow death of the remaining nearby trees.
The real issue is not the number of trees. It is that you sold us a plan that you aren't honoring. Move City Hall out of the park! Or cancel the bonds so that our taxes can be lowered. It's bad enough that you all approved 4-story buildings towering over the park space. At least if there were mature trees to buffer it, it would not be such an eyesore. Also what about the handicapped parking spaces and the service areas for City Hall. How many additional trees will that take?
No Name July 21, 2012 at 03:17 am
What a "green" city really means.... $$$
http://www.austinpost.org/boom-town/city-ignores-own-heritage-tree-ordinance-sets-bad-precedent
Julie Hogg July 21, 2012 at 11:04 am
Thank you for above, no name. Interesting article. Hate that the marketing guru's went with the word "green" several years back. It's problematic since it means way too many things. My favorite 'green' concept is solar, but solar is still in infancy. Lots of solar companies going belly up: Solyndra for one. Abound Solar filed for bankruptcy several weeks ago. But this source of energy relies upon our technological advances. Trees just grow in yards without any provocation from us and yet still do us lots of favors. And old ones and big ones are pretty cool to look at.
Larry Attig July 31, 2012 at 11:19 pm
STOP!!! Time is up. The small vocal minority group of citizens is trying once again micro manage the design and construction of the City Center and park. The Mayor and City Council have provided countless and ample opportunities for citizen input into the design of the project. As a result some changes have been made to satisfy the wishes of the citizens. It is now time to allow the highly qualified design and construction team to move forward with the project. The design has been developed in an effort to provide the best possible opportunity for a center of commerce and social activity. If we continue to listen to the negative group who seem to find fault with every possible element of the project, the project will only be faced with delays and additional cost.
Larry Attig July 31, 2012 at 11:20 pm
I am certain that if we continue to try to satisfy the nay sayers on this aspect of the project it will only be a matter of time before we will be discussing which restroom fixtures would be best for the new City Hall. I hope that the elected officials will have the courage to press on with the proposed plan and complete the project utilizing the skill of the chosen design team. It is clear that some citizens will never be satisfied.
With regard to the incorporation of a community garden in the city center, I do not recall that element being discussed at any of the public meetings. I do not believe that the community gardens would be appropriate in that setting. If there is a demand for more space then expand the program at Wills Park. I also do not believe that there are going to be 65 SPECIMEN trees removed for the project. If that is the case we might want to redefine the definition of specimen trees.
Truthseeker July 31, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Actually citizens overwhelmingly approved one plan and a small, vocal, elitist group ( Mayor and Council) decided a bait and switch was in order. All of course done under cover of darkness ( back rooms and private meetings). In the middle of the summer, with no notice. Hoping it would all be done before anyone figured it out. Yes, it is time to STOP this top down, government shoved down our throat new plan and reinstate or re -vote the issue.
Julie Hogg July 31, 2012 at 11:59 pm
This is not a slippery slope towards approving bathroom fixtures, but rather a justified outcry. A thoughtless City Council directed the design team to place buildings where they wanted them.....and with no regard for existing trees. Council can begin to change things for the better by backing the City Hall OUT of the Brook Street Park - as we voted for in the bond referendum. Yes, indeedy, approximately 65 specimen trees slated to be removed at present. Perhaps less? The point is: it's more than City Center Version 1 - the one we voted on - allowed for. And as all my other blogs have made abundantly clear - this Council approved designs with no regard for the existing trees whatsoever.
Julie Hogg August 1, 2012 at 01:33 am
I couldn't possibly find time in my day to "find fault with every possible element of the project." !!! But I have been very specific about some major issues, as have others....

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