Handgun the Prize in Raffle Fundraiser for Girls' Softball Team

What's your take on a gun raffle to raise money for youth sports teams?

A Georgia girls' softball team isn’t selling cookies, magazines or gift-wrapping paper to raise money this spring.

Instead, the Georgia Heat Select ’05 is raffling off a revolver — a Taurus Judge, to be exact — and it’s attracting attention.

A parent sent a copy of the raffle flyer to WSB-TV, which gauged local reaction at West Walton Park near Loganville. The comments ranged from “not a good idea” to “perfectly fine.”

The raffle is benefitting the Loganville-based team of 8- and 9-year-olds to help cover expenses this season.

Anybody with kids involved in sports knows how costly it is, especially for teams that play in out-of-town tournaments with the costs of entry fees, travel, food and lodging. A tournament this weekend in Dublin, Ga., has a $300 entry fee, for one example.

The WSB report has attracted attention on social media. The Facebook page of the ’05 Georgia Heat Softball Factory — which is not affiliated with the Loganville program — had some inquiries about ticket availability Thursday morning.

This is hardly the first time a youth sports program has raffled off a firearm to raise money — a simple “softball gun raffle” internet search will show you that.

Last spring, a St. Helens, Ore., softball league raffled off an AR-15 rifle, sparking strong criticism.

What’s your take?

Is a gun raffle a suitable way to raise money for youth sports teams? Tell us what you think in the comments below.

Jeffry March 01, 2014 at 01:24 PM
Perhaps the news media should report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And this is not about the Parents contrary to what some of you "multiple gun owners" want to think. You "multiple gun owners" are showing your TRUE agenda. Some of you flunked your parenting classes.
jMichael March 01, 2014 at 02:24 PM
Well said, Jeffrey. Well said.
Marlene Mitchell March 01, 2014 at 04:56 PM
Jeffry, The news media has never printed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...get use to it, they are never, ever going to. Ann Hudren, Playing sports is costly...fund raising helps out. I drove my son to a baseball league that was a longer distance away than the one up the street because they played for fun and fellowship and not being groomed for high school ball. Cost was the same (extra gas not included) but the mission was different. He made friends and made the traveling team occasionally and bottom line HE HAD A FUN TIME. Why should he be excluded because the cost needed to be lessened by a fundraiser or two. You don't like sports then don't let your kids play. It certainly isn't mandatory. ..and please stop lumping all sports and all parents into one large bag and trying to tell us what we should or should not do for our children. Geesh, "should be saving for their education" my kids graduated from Clemson AND played sports in grade school, middle and high school...and not a Pro player amongst them. I'll buy the raffle ticket and watch my grandbabies play sports. How many kids/grandkids do you have Ann? My track record is pretty good :)...you?
Marlene Mitchell March 01, 2014 at 05:25 PM
Jeffry, jMichael....you two sound like trolls....you got any skin in the game, as in a kid or two?? Or are you just stirring the pot regarding hand guns. I am betting on the latter...nothing like people who don't have children telling those that do how to "raise them right". jMichael..."Pushing sugar" wasn't the point. Not getting the Try-It badge because it was tied to $$$$ was. It was bully tactics to say the least. So lets see....raffle tickets that involved a hand gun or telling a shy little girl that she wasn't good enough to get a "Try-It" badge for selling 30 boxes of overpriced cookies even tho she gave it her best. She would never remember the Raffle but will remember her disappointment and confusion about the the Try-it badge. Rejection is hard to deal with as a child.
Nathan March 01, 2014 at 05:35 PM
Like I said give them opera tickets and we will use them as target practice.
jMichael March 01, 2014 at 07:53 PM
Marlene. I addressed you as a gentleman addresses a lady. I now see I misjudged you. I decline engagement with your kind. This matter is now closed.
K.C. Jones March 02, 2014 at 03:30 AM
First, let's look at the purpose of the TEAM. From what I have read, it will allow children to play and enjoy a fun sport. It also promotes healthy activity for these girls, and allows them to be part of a team. What, exactly is wrong with that. Sounds like even FLOTUS would approve of. Next, maybe some of the girl's parents can't afford the expense of their child participating. Should that CHILD be excluded from playing or should the parents and the team try to raise the funds another way? I'll wager the gun was donated by a local store, maybe the owner wants to help his community. If a sporting goods store donated a bike, would you be this upset? And ANN HUDREN, YOU SOUND LIKE AN UPPIDY *****!! There is nothing wrong with using fundraisers to offset the costs of this or any other sport for kids!! ALL of you that are UPSET about this, is because the prize is a "GUN"! Get over it, if you don't like guns then don't own one! But quit trying to force your opinion on those who do. This raffle is a way for some lucky person to own a gun, that they want, without spending a large amount of money. OH, and by the way, they will be helping some young girls play softball! And I can't help it, I have to say it. For those of you who are so adverse to gun ownership, PLEASE feel free to post a sign in your front yard that says "THIS HOUSE IS A GUN FREE ZONE - WE DO NOT OWN GUNS OR SUPPORT ANYONE WHO DOES"
Marlene Mitchell March 02, 2014 at 08:03 AM
jMichael, Just as I thought...TROLL.
Marlene Mitchell March 02, 2014 at 08:08 AM
K.C. Jones, Clapclapclapclapclapclapclap!!!! Thank you for stating it so well.
Ann Hudren March 02, 2014 at 08:29 AM
@ K.C. First of all, by targeting me with with your foul mouth and hatred --- the only thing you have done is proven my opinion is the closest to the TRUTH. Thank you. You obviously did not bother to read my post from February 27 at 5:16 that clearly states I own guns and I support the 2nd amendment. I also have 3 children that played high level competitive sports so I know what I am talking about when I speak of the controversy that already surrounds your team. The media needs to do a follow up story on the fallout that ensues when the spotlight fades. From start to finish, this will always be the PARENTS and their bad decisions and behavior. Good luck to these 9 year old girls.
Ann Hudren March 02, 2014 at 08:55 AM
@ Marlene. I have 3 children that not long ago played competitive sports. We never allowed them to start out as young as 9 because of the proven burnout factor. They are KIDS. One of my sons played out of East Cobb, so I know of the time, commitment and money it demands. Bottom line is controversy produces more controversy.
Marlene Mitchell March 02, 2014 at 04:30 PM
Ann Hudson, East Cobb baseball was the league I stayed away from. A couple of our cub scouts played ball for East Cobb and I wouldn't touch that league with a ten foot pole...and, YES, the guys I knew lost the joy of the game. My husband and I opted to go else where with our kids, tho not perfect, it was what we thought beginning sports should be....fun. Just curious, why did you stay with East Cobb? Looking back, would that have been your first choice now or would you have followed a different path? My son started out with T-Ball...I guess that would be around 5 years old....no scoring, just practice games with a lot of instruction...Coaches from both sides would instruct the kids if need be...a lot of laughter when some ran the bases 3rd, 2nd, 1st and then home. Very easy going...at times the flowers in the outfield were more interesting than waiting for the ball to fall somewhere in their vicinity...it was just fun for all.
K.C. Jones March 03, 2014 at 12:04 PM
Ann Hudren, your statement, "If parents cannot afford to pay the kind of money it requires then maybe the child should not play" indicates a level of discrimination that really irritates me. I am glad that you are a "gun owner and support the Second Amendment", and I am sure your children enjoyed the sports they played. Children should be given the opportunity to participate in as many legal and healthful activities as possible. A child should not be denied the opportunity because someone does not like the method of their fundraising. This raffle is not illegal or immoral. If you think that these girls should just suck it up and not play because their parents are unable to fully fund the team without fundraising, YOU have a problem!
Ann Hudren March 03, 2014 at 02:46 PM
@ K.C. Pay To Play is not discrimination, that is Life! When my kids got to public HS none of the sports were under $1000.00 per season. Crazy as it sounds cheerleading can be double that amount. Even public schools don't care if the parents cannot afford it, you want to Play then you must Pay. They can work out a payment plan but it is typically half up front and the rest is due not far behind. Scholarships only happen at private schools where they are allowed to recruit and that is typically a dire need case. Your raffle might not be illegal in Walton County, but I know that many counties, park and sports programs would never allow fundraising for a gun because it is strictly prohibited in their by laws. Most parents wouldn't allow there kid to play for such a team either. I can promise you that your team might have gotten away with it this time but there are most likely plans in the works to prevent it from happening again. You keep focusing your anger on me but I promise there are many silent opponents demanding change as we speak in Walton right now. Like I said, you can call me names and insult me all you want --- shooting the messenger only confirms my opinion is more close to the truth of the matter.
K.C. Jones March 03, 2014 at 07:57 PM
Ann Hudren, You keep saying "your raffle" and "your team", I have no connection to this team or the raffle. I don't even know anyone on the team or where to buy the raffle tickets. I know very well about 'Pay to Play', I have Children, Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren who have taken part in all manner of school activities. I cannot recall a single instance where fundraisers were not used to offset the costs, including the scouts. You seem to believe that no children should take part in these activities unless the parents can foot the bill on their own. If that was true, there would be very few children taking part in school sports or other extracurricular activities. You have not refuted your statement, " If parents cannot afford to pay the kind of money it requires then maybe the child should not play". Would you feel the same if the raffle prize was a bicycle or some other 'appropriate' prize. Do you TRULY believe that children should not play if their parents cannot pay. Should all fundraisers be discontinued. What got EVERYONE upset about this was that a "GUN" was the prize!
Ann Hudren March 03, 2014 at 09:38 PM
K.C. You actually expect me to believe that you are a great grandparent with no connect to this team? Nice try at subversion, but you are clearly upset that I have the upper hand with facts and truth on my side. Your constant need to retort with futile arguments is obviously painful for you to admit defeat. TRUTH BE TOLD .............Your team doesn't even know what they are selling as your flyer indicates you are raffling a Tarus Judge --- the name of the handgun is spelled wrong! Your team (again per your flyer) is using a controversial item they know nothing about to boost sales to pay for a vacation in Panama City Beach. Why does a startup team feel the need to end their season in the biggest money grab tournament in the region? These are 9 year old girls, they would be blissfully happy with rec league softball at West Walton park. But no, PARENTS want a vacation so they are using these girls to garner sympathy and a weapon for shock value for guaranteed ticket sales and BIG BUCKS.
K.C. Jones March 03, 2014 at 11:02 PM
Ann Hudren, Lady you are wrong, I live in Peachtree Corners. I don't like bigots and You just don't like being called on your statement.
Ann Hudren March 04, 2014 at 07:36 AM
K.C. The only thing you continue to prove is you lack logic and integrity. LOL, you have FAILED to "call me out" on anything! Your ego is bruised because I continue to hit the target straight on this matter. Using caustic words and name calling only shows your argument has no merit and you have no character. YOU continue to shine a BAD light on YOUR TEAM. You are teaching your children that you will do anything to get what YOU want. Is a free vacation in Panama City Beach worth the lesson in lies and greed you are teaching your daughter? It is PARENTS like you that make youth sports all about the $$$$$ and take the fun completely out of their childhood.
James Buffington March 04, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Did anyone ever post where to buy tickets? Maybe they'll raffle a nice shotgun next year.............
Ann Hudren March 04, 2014 at 04:14 PM
@ James. The link provided above is the wrong team. The flyer apparently contained lots of wrong information as well. Poster K.C. (see above) is from the team, so you should try contacting him directly. I highly doubt the team will be around next year and raffling a weapon of any kind will more than likely be prohibited going forward. If you are looking for a good shotgun, I would personally recommend the Mossberg 930 SPX. It's a semi automatic perfect for home defense.
K.C. Jones March 04, 2014 at 05:55 PM
Ann Hudren; Lady I told you that that is not my team! Just because I don't agree with your high and mighty position does not make me a liar. Do you accuse everyone who speaks up to you of lying.
K.C. Jones March 04, 2014 at 05:57 PM
James Buffington, If you find out where to buy the tickets, let me know, I need to buy some for myself and for Ann.
Ann Hudren March 04, 2014 at 06:17 PM
K.C. When someone like yourself results to name calling, they typically are very dishonest. I am a regular commenter on Patch, and I have never run across anyone so ill mannered and entitled like yourself. Now before you start calling me vile names once again, I suggest you read my postings in regards to the redesigned confederate license plate. I am a very diverse, well educated, and open minded person. Calling someone you do not know a a bigot is the sign of a true racist.
Ann Hudren March 04, 2014 at 06:32 PM
Oh, K.C. The Taurus (not Tarus) Judge is not a high quality handgun. The folks that are blindly purchasing your tickets know nothing about weapons. A Glock that has local recognition would have garnered you more money. Unfortunately, the fact that you are selling them so that you can vacation is disgusting and appalling. What you call high and mighty, or uppity (not uppidy as you misspelled it) is what most people would consider a boldface lie. Money does not buy happiness for your children. Greed will cost you dearly.
K.C. Jones March 05, 2014 at 01:07 AM
Ann Hudren, I SURRENDER, I forgot to follow Mark Twain's advice: "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." —Mark Twain
Ann Hudren March 05, 2014 at 09:27 AM
K.C. I gave you ample opportunity to educate yourself on all matters that we have discussed, even asking you to view by vast library of postings here on Patch. It is sad when a Man cannot simply admit defeat by a Woman. It is pathetic that a Woman knows more about weapons, rule and law, morality, integrity, and teaching young children right from wrong than a MAN that is exposed to those poor innocent girls on a regular basis. What is even more disturbing is that YOU have done nothing but call a Black Woman hateful names -- uppity bitch, bigot, fool --- YOU have assaulted me with everything except N##### --- what a proud White Man you are! Unfortunately, WE all are mortified to learn that the PARENTS from your team are using young girls as a pawn to get money to go on a glorified FREE vacation. You seem to have no remorse in ALL the BAD that has been exposed on YOUR TEAM. The Show Stopper is now everyone can see the WORST of YOU, the PARENTS and your TEAM. ...... YOU, K.C are a RACIST !!!
K.C. Jones March 05, 2014 at 01:38 PM
Ann Hudren, I did not know or care whether you were Black, White, Brown or GREEN, you were simply WRONG. You however have resorted to calling me a LIAR, proud WHITE MAN and RACIST simply because I disagree with your OPINION. If not agreeing with you makes me a Racist then I must be a RACIST because I don't agree with you!
Mack March 05, 2014 at 08:09 PM
Ssome of these comments are getting way out of control. The idea behind the article is to raise awareness to the fund raising event that one team wants to use to get money to support the team. Now it has turned into the lowest form of expression....... Name calling. If you want to get a ticket then buy one if not do not. but please stop insulting each other. There is no place and in this format for personal attacks and the editors should not permit this type of behavior. Each of us have an opinion on this subject and have a right to express their thoughts but leave the name calling out.
Marlene Mitchell March 06, 2014 at 02:42 PM
Mack, This is what happens when someone uses passive-aggressive behavior, aka Ann Hudson. There have also been a few trolls adding there "opinions" hoping to stir the pot rather than having a dialog. Hope I spelled everything correctly....sure wouldn't want Ann to get her panties in a wad and verbally abuse me too.
janh999 March 08, 2014 at 08:59 AM
I don't think Ive every come across an article on Patch with comments that didn't end up in name calling & harsh accusations. I cant believe the way some ppl argue with strangers over a stupid thing like license plates, fund raising, robberies & sentences of criminals. I guess every1 gets muscles & mouthy when they're behind the keyboard. Is there a class for that?


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