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Charter School Amendment - Planet Parent to Glenn Delk - We Object!

Dear Mr. Delk,

I am a member of Planet Parent - we support public education vs. the privatization of public education. It was just beamed up to me that you have filed a lawsuit on behalf of five parents and "all taxpayers of a Georgia" against 180 Georgia school districts, deemed in the lawsuit to be part of a conspiratorial coalition with "tentacles" around the state - you have named the coalition, the "Education Empire." See Jim Galloway's column on 10/8/ 2012 http://bit.ly/PQRWKk.

The lawsuit is filed as a class action lawsuit on behalf of five parents and "all taxpayers of Georgia” who apparently live on a different planet than mine. Those of us Planet Parent have really had it with lawmaker clones who have not been telling us the entire truth about this Amendment. On my planet, parents are concerned about alien investors and EMOS's, circling our children and tax dollars. Your opening statement is misleading, "This case is not about whether or not the voters of Georgia should approve the Amendment, which would allow charter schools to be authorized by someone other than a local school board."

We on Planet Parent have conducted research, independent of the "Education Empire," related to this statement, which has appeared in virus like replication in many verbal and printed statements. We have concluded that this is an incorrect statement. Perhaps you didn't know, but the State of Georgia has a law on the books, which allows charter petitioners who have been denied at the local level to appeal to the State BOE. This constitutional body appears to be quite competent, helpful, and efficient. What more could the "Privatization Patrol" - you and your followers advocating for vouchers and tax credits for private school tuition - want for charter schools?  

Furthermore, you continue to disappoint - concluding; "Instead, this case is about whether the voters of Georgia are entitled to a fair and free election on this issue." A member of my planet happened to have unearthed the hidden preamble on September 12th deep within the Attorney General's office. Fair Mr. Delk?  Where were you? Members from Planet Parent are deeply offended by the deceptive language of the preamble and the fact that it was hidden from everyone including members of the "Education Empire."

Finally Mr. Delk, members of Planet Parent find your "relief" solutions unacceptable - specifically; " distribute factual material prepared by plaintiffs." Hopefully the judge in this case will consider current law and what the legislation actually says in order to determine what the facts are in this case. There are limits on my planet as to how the written word can be interpreted by lawyers.

We would have hoped, Mr. Delk that the Privatization Patrol would have appealed to the Cooperation Council first rather than going to battle stations. War is not good for our children and the taxpayers always end up paying for it. Perhaps your backers could provide a sound track for this screenplay. Have you contacted John Williams? Good music may help all of us get through the next 29 days. 

Over and Out,

Elizabeth Hooper

P.S. Georgia does not have teacher unions. You must have confused Georgia with a blue planet.

Chris

3:11 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Over and out? Oh, if only it really was "over an out." I would love nothing more than you to be over and out. Yet, sadly enough, I have to endure it for another month. The current school model is a near monopoly except for those wealthy enough to pay for schools twice. Creating choose will improve even the existing public schools now forced to compete for tax dollars.

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Elizabeth Hooper

4:38 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Yes Chris you will have to endure my sense of humor for another month just as those of us who are sick and tired of the the free marketeers endless comments about our school boards being a monopoly. Funny isn't it that Walmart used to be considered a monopoly. They sure fixed that wagon. Funny isn't it that the late Milton Friedman said there were three monopolies in the US; tthe post office, school boards and the legislature. Even funnier is that the third monopoly is trying to knock the second one out of the ring. They will really have it made then. Give your vote away if you want. It's still your right to do so. Not after that though!

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Ava Chun

8:54 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Elizabeth Cooper your humor is INeffective. Apparently, you do not live the day to day realities of what public school is all about for students who DO NOT fit into the public school model. I will tell you first hand by actual observations of public school classroom education that it is NOT working for some students. PUBLIC school is NOT working for everyone and FOR THAT, you NEED TO YOU NEED TO ALLOW ALTERNATIVES, such as charter school Inflexibility or lack of understanding that public school is NOT for everyone makes you RIGID, INflexible and UNreasonable.

Steely Dan

4:47 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Mrs Hooper and her ilk want to kill off all charter schools and funnel more money to public school districts like the ones in the article below. One of which happens to be Cherokee County, though it's surely not the only district doing what the article details:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/health/attention-disorder-or-not-children-prescribed-pills-to-help-in-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&;

Cherokee County Schools: Don't educate - Medicate!

What a joke. Yet Hooper, et al want MORE money to go to this style of "education".

What's Mrs. Hooper's take on all this money flowing to out-of-state, for-profit Big Drug companies, 100% courtesy of the recommendations of public school "teachers" and principals? Let me guess the answer: "It's OK When We Do It"!

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Frank Jones

4:50 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Elizabeth...The actions of the GCSA, Gov. Deal, Mr. Delk, CSUSA and others are appalling and somehow, we must fight fire with fire. It's probably too late, but we anti-Amendment folks must unite. You can count on me and many others to donate to an attorney fund to fight this BS. We must stop this alien invasion before they plunder Georgia.

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Ava Chun

8:57 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Frank, you are sorely mistaken. Please look outside the world you look at. You HAVE NO IDEA. Do you know that there are quite several students with special needs or failing in the PUBLIC school system? Do you know that the public school system is IMpersonal, ran like a factory and your child is like a paper being processed through a machine / system ? You need to go to a public school and see what every day is like from a student's perspective.

Steely Dan

7:19 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Those of us living on Planet Earth in a country called America are tired of the reckless lawbreaking that the various PTAs and county school boards across the state are engaging in by using public taxpayer-financed facilities to spread a specific, political message.

It's illegal and it's telling that the NO crowd firmly, blindly, endorses such illegal behavior in the name of protecting More Funding.

Win or lose, I hope the NO crowd turns their focus to actually educating our children once the election is over. I'd put my full support behind the NO crowd if they ever try to do anything - ANYTHING - to actually improve the quality of education rather than constantly complain about a lack of funding.

On my planet, parents in droves are concerned about the lack of a quality education their kids are receiving in GA schools and are looking forward to voting YES to 1162 to end the disastrous monopoly that currently exists in GA public education. Vote YES to 1162 and NO to APS, DeKalb, Clayton, Bibb, and god knows how many other corrupt county boards that are killing our children's future in exchange for More Funding.

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Ava Chun

9:01 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

YES for QUALITY EDUCATION tailored to each child. Our child is not a paper being processed thru the system. Every child is DIFFERENT. Until education is changed to show that each child is being cared for...... we need to PROTEST. Education IN FACT is the 1 single factor that will determine the future of the human speciies and earth. It is a daunting task. Education is something we all need to take seriously. We can have fun all we want but in the end we need to face what is truly important.

Julia Rush

9:04 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

this is stupid by the fact now you want the schools systems to pay legal fees... ***rolls eyes***

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Ava Chun

9:02 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Julia the fact that you use the word "system" tells me you are lost. Education is NOT a system. It is not. You child is not being processed thru a "system". Every child is different. Every child/human learns differently. We need to acknowledge that.

Steely Dan

9:34 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

PS: There are absolutely Teacher Unions in GA.

The Georgia Federation of Teachers is a branch of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT)...a UNION.

From the GA.AFT.org website itself: http://ga.aft.org/index.cfm?action=article&articleID=5ad98a5c-503d-4ef6-a625-c8da00104436

"Using this web site you will be able to. °Learn important information about Georgia Federation of Teachers events °Sign up for workshops and conferences °Get up to date news information about the world °Stay in contact with your union representatives"

I wonder who their "union representatives" are? Thankfully, since we're still a Right To Work state, teachers are not forced to join these loser unions. If Obama had his way, that would change.

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Frank Jones

10:47 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Steely...It's amazing that all of you raging fiscally conservative, strict constitutional, Freedom of the People Republicans, are so blinded by your self proclaimed righteousness that you can't see that the Amendment is a power grab by the State government at the behest of Corporate America using you as pawns to raid the treasury.

Your party has been taken over by Corporate America and feeds upon the less intelligent masses who will follow blindly. "Liberal" America isn't the problem!

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Steely Dan

1:23 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

If you're right, then those 'masses' are only 'less intelligent' because they were forced to attend American public schools, Frank.

You're so blinded by your love of more gov't and more spending that you can't see what a disaster the liberal agenda has been for American education. While liberalism isn't the source of every problem; it's not the solution to ANY problem.

And since gov't is full of liberals, that's a problem.

Allison Cottle

2:04 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Okay~After reading all of the conversations...I'm not blinded...just "crossed eyed". I'm not really for or against Charter Schools. If there are going to be Charter Schools then I think it should be a County decision, not a state decision. The counties know what their funds are "first hand" and should be able to make an educated decision based on their funds.
If we send our children to Charter Schools, that are a "Public" school because their education/environment is better, why don't we take the hint and teach/train our "public" educators to be like them.

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Elizabeth Hooper

2:31 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Certainly makes sense to alot of me Allison. This debate is not about what is logical however. It's about a certain faction that would like to get rid of all government (think your local school board) and doesn't really seem to care how that transition to charter schools managed by for -profit emos and vouchers for private schools will actually occur. Do you have a detailed plan Steely? The other faction just has alot of money to invest and our education tax dollars are the last pot on earth that hasn't yet been raided. They are in it for the money. There is a third group that wants religious education to be subsidized by public funds. This group is coming to understand that Gulen schools are being subsidized by public funds as well - did any of our legislators care? NO. The local school board cared and took grief for it. A small glimpse into the future if this thing passes. Anything is possible, we will have no voice in the commission's decisions. That's why parents in Georgia andacross the country are very upset with what we see as the same reckless, "me first", greedy behavior that culminated in the financial crisis of 2009. Dr. Barge is the only one looking out for the big picture and his opponents have done everything in their power to silence him. Despicable. Please vote NO.

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Chris

2:54 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Allison, the issue is that school board's are more concerned about control and power and money that they have placed that above the education of the kids. Teachers become more important than kids. Money and test scores too. Local citizens wanting better options for their most beloved have been stonewalled for so long and have turned to the state for help because of being ignored at the county level.

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Steely Dan

3:55 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

That's what you fail to grasp, Mrs. Hooper. It's not a "Me First" attitude. It's an "Our Children First" attitude. This, compared to your attitude of "Funding is first priority!"

Besides "More Funding", what's your detailed plan, Mrs. Hooper?

The pot that holds our education tax dollars has been raided from repeatedly for decades by corrupt local BOEs. Since you can't live in the ATL metro area and be ignorant of the corruption in APS, DeKalb, and Clayton counties, that shows that you're only concerned with your own local district.

Talk about your "Me first" attitude.

I want competitive educational choices for ALL GA parents and children, not just those living in the wealthy districts.

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Monty Brewster

10:49 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Dan, since you avoided answering the question on a different Patch article, I'll ask it again here:

If you are so obsessed with not spending money, why are you okay with allowing a corporation to make $1,000,000+ profit per school off of our tax dollars that could be used to fund better education? (and for those that continue to not know the difference between salary and profit, this is over and beyond the operating costs and salaries of running the schools)

Let's see.... 1. increase spending 2. change constitution 3. more government .... mmm.... what was it they said... if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... You seem to be quite liberal with your ideals here, Dan.

A side note... anyone that has any true understanding about education knows that COOPERATION, not competition, is what helps us to become better (sharing ideas, what works, what doesn't work). You know... the original purpose of charter schools.

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Steely Dan

11:06 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Monty - the charter schools do a better job of educating while spending less money per-child than public schools. Locally, CCSD spends about $9K per kid. The charter school spent around $5K in 2011.
The only ones wanting to increase spending is the NO crowd - the fans of our current, mediocre traditional public school system. Mrs Hooper makes it clear that since it works for her in her elite, wealthy enclave of North Fulton County, it's therefore awesome for everyone. Such naivete.
I agree that Cooperation is key. However, local boards aren't interested in cooperating with parents, nor are they interested in providing a quality education for our children. They are only interested in acquiring more funding so they can continue to waste our tax $$$ on a system that fails our children and insists on no accountability.
Conversely, a charter school that fails to educate its children will be forced to shut its doors rather than cry for more funding.
And where's your outrage over the article below, that details how teachers & admins are getting kids hooked into Ritalin and other ADHD drugs regardless of their condition?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/health/attention-disorder-or-not-children-prescribed-pills-to-help-in-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&;;

Where's the outrage on all this drug money being funneled to evil, out-of-state, for-profit Big Drug companies? I wonder what sort of kickbacks these teachers & admins are getting for running this scam?

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Monty Brewster

5:47 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

1.Charters most often perform BELOW or equivalent to public schools. http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/National_Release.pdf
2. Spending per child includes many expenses that charters do not offer -i.e. transportation, ESOL, SpEd services, other specialists, and better paid teachers.
3. We do not want more funding. We want what the LAW says should be going to the school system to actually go there and to stop austerity cuts. Funding a parallel charter system will increase spending, with more than $1 MILLION per school not even going towards education.
The problems in education are caused by the same idiots that wrote this amendment to our Constitution- i.e. unfunded mandates & standardized testing (another $BILLION industry that legislators thought would be a good idea).
CORRECT FUNDING (not increased funding) would allow for zero furlough days and lower class sizes. Do you really think a Kindergarten class of 26+ is conducive for success? These classes should never exceed 20. High school classes with more than 30 students in math or science? Even Forsyth Co can't figure that one out without APPROPRIATE funding.
4. Several charters failed to meet requirements last year. NONE of them were forced to close. MYTH BUSTED.
5. That doctor has absolutely nothing to do with the school system. In fact, he should lose his license. Did you actually read the article? This guy writes Rx's for psychotrophic schedule 2 drugs for children b/c daddy said the kid is "blah". SERIOUSLY?

Jen

2:16 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

So, Steely Dan, the charter movement is not a liberal agenda? And since charter schools are not goverenment schools we must protect them from liberals? Does that mean there are no charter school employees that are members of the Georgia Federation of Teachers?

And oh yes, we must stop the evil PTA. Would that be the National PTA or just the Georgia PTA we must stop? How about all of the school PTAs? Only the ones against the charter referendum? How about the ones that once coincidentally scheduled meetings with election days so a certain legislative candidate could have PTA members wearing candidate Tshirts in the school on an election day?

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Steely Dan

2:41 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Jen, More School Choice is a plank for the GOP platform. The Dem educational platform is more teacher unions and hiring more teachers (see Obama's comments in last week's debate). The charter movement of providing more parental choice without union intervention is most-definitely NOT a liberal one. As far as I know, charter schools are gov't schools, since they receive gov't money. I am not aware of the Union status of any teacher - charter nor public - I only posted a link that unequivocally shows that teacher unions absolutely have a presence in GA.

No PTA should use public taxpayer-provided facilities to spread a specific political agenda, regardless of the agenda. While there have been numerous PTAs and school boards that have flaunted this with illegal campaigning for public schools, I'm not aware of a PTA that has done the same for a charter school. Can you provide evidence of that?

Jen, it is ILLEGAL to campaign for a specific agenda on public facilities. This is not an opinion I hold but rather GA Law. If you are angry about it, perhaps you & your other NO advocates should march down to the Gold Dome and lobby for a change to that law. Until that happens, the PTAs need to adhere to it or face legal action, which seems to be occurring, as Mrs. Hooper's strange rant here indicates.

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Kathleen A.

12:17 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

Monty, I agree with you 100%. I think it is ludicrous to bring more government into our lives to control and direct us over matters that small government can handle in representation of the people. How in the world does it make sense to pay a corporation money to run a school when that money can be used to IMPROVE what we already have so that ALL children will get a better education and not just those who have been chosen by lottery? And yes, my child did attend a charter for one year. His education was very poor and I wouldn't send him there again. He is back in Carmel Elementary and is absolutely thriving!

Jen

2:16 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

That's government not goverenment-typing too fast.

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Chris

2:52 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

What conspiracy hogwash Elizabeth. No one is trying to get rid of public education ... unless it's your position that public education is as good as it can possible be and that the slightly level of competitive options will cause all students to flee. Now if that's your assertion, then perhaps it should close. I personally don't believe that. Psychologically, people assume intentions of someone else is that which they fear the most. You're clearly showing your fear. But the truth is that competition will improve the education of the children ... yes, contrary to your concerns, most people care more about the kids than a teacher's right or school board's power. Perhaps you should learn more about the facts instead of throwing daggers and personal attacks.

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Elizabeth Hooper

4:23 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Chris,
Let's not lose sight of what the real issues are in this debate. I am not opposed to charter schools. I happen to have had very positive experiences in our traditional public schools and public Universities in Georgia. They are not failing schools by any stretch of the imagination (Alpharetta and Northview HS, UGA, GA TECH). While my kids have not been attracted to charter schools, I certainly respect parents rights in lower performing schools to gather together or teachers rights to gather together to form charter schools which can be more innovative and responsive to them. Here's my problem. The charter school law of 1998 clearly allows local school boards to authorize charter schools and it gives the State BOE the consitutional authority to hear an appeal from a petitioner who has been denied by a local board. I am opposed to giving an added appointed commission the authority to place a charter school in my community that I have no say in. I take exception to the language in HB 797 and the minimal requirements placed in the law to guide this commission. There are no provisions for monitoring. The state of Florida is often cited as a model for Georgia - the state of charter schools in Florida is a mess. This isn't about education. It is also naive to deny that there are many other forces at work behind the scenes trying to pass this amendment. Where's the budget for state charter schools? You're a taxpayer - don't you think you have a right to know? Don't you care?

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JAH

6:19 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Elizabeth, this comment is your most concise, on point explanation of your position that I've read since you began posting on the topic. You should make a copy post for your records, and post it whenever you need to address this topic. Well done.

Frank Jones

6:19 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Allison...There is a lot of mis-information being thrown around by Steely and others. FWIW, Elizabeth offers accurate and well-reasoned information.

Fact: Local boards already have authority to approve charter schools.
Fact: State already has authority to approve charter schools.
Fact: Local boards don't keep the local money of students attending charters. They never budget and never collected money for those students.
Fact: Most charters perform no better or even worse than the surrounding schools.
Fact: Many charters that do perform better, do so because the student population is "better" (i.e. more affluent, higher-educated families, less minorities, less SPED).
Fact: Charters charge excessive management fees ($1 million at CCA).
Fact: Charters siphon money & assets via ownership of the real estate. Local school district (i.e. the people) owned the property for traditional schools.
Fact: Charters operate with less transparency. Try finding their budget & financial results.
Fact: Charters can by-pass competitive, open bidding and self-deal with its owners.
Fact: Georgia schools are "failing". The 48th out of 50 SAT argument is flawed simply because of the number of students taking the SAT.
Fact: The drop-out rate has more to do with socio-economic reasons than the state of the schools/teachers/administrators.

For more information, browse reputable sites on the internet. You'll be amazed!

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Steely Dan

11:17 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Frank, as usual, you're wrong on most everything.

Fact: Without 1162's passage, the state won't have authority to approve a charter school that its local board failed to approve. When APS doesn't renew a charter, there will be no state authority to override that decision if 1162 fails to pass.

Fact: Most charters perform better than most traditional public schools.

Fact: 95% of Americans rate public schools as the Lowest Quality Education of the available educational options.

Fact: If a local board doesn't approve a charter that the state approves, it absolutely keeps the money that student's parents paid via property tax. Their $ doesn't follow their child.

Fact: Charter schools have lower per-child costs than the TPS schools per-child cost.

Fact: Like all examples of Govt vs Private, charter schools do more with less. It's like comparing FedEx or UPS to the USPS.

Fact: Charter school budgets are no less transparent than a local district's. Try acquiring the 1000+ page CCSD budget and then get back to me about 'transparency'.

Fact: GA Schools are failing to graduate 33% of their kids on time. Charter schools fail to graduate less than 10% of their kids on time.

Fact: The 48th of 50 argument isn't flawed - it's statistical reality. GA still ranks below other states with similar numbers of SAT-taking students.

Fact: Across America, our educational system is viewed as dismal by potential residents and companies looking to relocate.

Jen

6:28 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

I have had a student enrolled in a charter school. One that failed to notify it's parents of IDEA non-compliance issues with the State (even as the State Charter Commission was renewing their charter and giving them more money). One that used it's PTA to lobby the State DOE and the State Charter Commission for a renewal and more money. Then gave it's parent contact information to a lobbying group so they could email the parents to request they and their kids attend a rally at the capitol on a school day. Does that sound like "for the kids" to you?

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Kathleen A.

8:51 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

I support school choice, but not by way of ignorance. By that I mean, in particular, HR 1162, a proposal to change the Georgia amendment that will give even more power to the government and further lessen our freedom.
Had this proposition been one to empower the citizens of Georgia in making their own, educated decisions, then I would gladly have backed it 100%. Fight for your freedom and control, don’t give it away to a bureaucracy. Fight for the citizens in each individual county to have strength to say yay, or nay to what is proposed in the place where they live. Georgians should be fighting for LESS government and retaining the power of freedom. Has the ability to think for ones self been so destroyed that we can’t trust to take these type of matters into our own hands and vote collectively within the affected county? Every time you open the door to allow the government to think for you, a fraction of your freedom is removed. I can think, and I can vote, as I believe my neighbors can. Let the people decide what is best and allow that to stand. Not everyone will agree with the outcome, but at least the outcome has been borne of freedom to choose.

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Steely Dan

12:40 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Kathleen, I believe most GA taxpayers are fed up with local BOEs and the corruption that the current infrastructure creates. The APS Cheating scandals, the threats of loss of SACS accreditation in Clayton County, the wanton corruption in DeKalb and Bibb Counties... the list goes on. Local Boards have clearly not been the Great Answer to everyone's problems, as the NO crowd would have you believe. YES to 1162 still puts Charter School Approval into the hands of Local Boards. It just gives parents who live in any crony-filled, incompetent district another road to a quality education when these boards inevitably start trying to close down successful charters to funnel that money to their failing local districts.

The traditional public school model in GA has been a failure to too many children to trust it any longer. I'm voting YES to 1162 and NO to failure, corruption, cheating, and mediocrity.

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Frank Jones

3:25 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Steely...You can believe that most GA taxpayers are fed up with local BOEs, but then again, you believe in a lot of crazy stuff. Your arguments for the Amendment are just as crazy and lacking of evidence. So go ahead and believe: that all BOEs are corrupt, that teachers are in it for the money, that corporations will put children ahead of their bottom lines, and that a centrally located state-appointed board in Atlanta will make the right decisions for all counties in Georgia and knows better than the people in those countries.

That's Crazy. That'd be like saying Washington DC should be overriding the states on everything. I guess you'd support Washington bureaucrats involvement in GA affairs.

Mike payne

5:56 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Frank,

Approximately two thousand kids in Cherokee county signed up to be in the lottery for 900 openings at Cherokee Charter school, and that is in a county with great public schools. Can you imagine how many would line up in Clayton County to get out of failing schools? Is it painful to be so wrong so often? Like I said before you seem to just be trolling to get responses. At least Hooper is getting paid to get on this board and spew her opinion.

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Elizabeth Hooper

7:02 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

I beg your pardon Mike? Who on earth do you think is paying me? Spewing my opinions? You are the only one who is allowed to have an opinion on this issue I suppose. Here's a thought, if you don't agree with my opinion, don't hurt your head by reading it. Or write your own blog - fact checking actually takes alot of time. Go ahead, put yourself out there and see what happens. Accusing people of lying about who they really are usually doesn't garner much of a following. Have a great weekend.

Mike payne

11:41 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012

Who did I accuse ok lying? However, I do find it amusing when you type the words "I support charter schools", which you have done a couple of times. You and I have put a lot of time into this debate but it comes down to this simple question. Do you think government can do the job better than the private sector? My side allows for parents (local control) to make that choice. I do not think 1162 is perfect but it at least opens the door.

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Elizabeth Hooper

8:19 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Here's my problem - the amendment and Hb 797 - really takes the door off the hinges and takes my vote out of picture. The legislation on it's own is so weak. It doesn't say anything - it is a blank check for emo's which may be the intent. Since when do business men and women give up on their investment - in this case billions of dollars in traditional "government" public schools - and jump on another ship, privately owned charter schools, because there is a temporary incentive (Obama, lots of private capital looking for a place to go)? I am spending so much time on this because I really see it as the beginning of the end if it passes. Florida is a mess. If certain legislators want to be like Florida, they should move there! The voters are not stupid. We don't appreciate being lied to and deceived which has undeniably been true in this debate. I don't get to vote on who is president of Walmart but I do get to vote on my school board rep. I am not giving that privilege up just because Alice Walton wants me to.

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Steely Dan

11:36 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

FLA's system outranks GA in every performance category. It's Georgia that's a mess.

It's interesting -- and telling -- how you continually pretend that the traditional public school model in GA is awesome and that the corruption and cheating in APS, DeKalb, Clayton, Bibb, and other local boards just doesn't exist. It's also a tad myopic.

I get to vote for my board rep but I don't need that gov't agent dictating what educational choices I should have as a parent. How anyone could support blindly trusting their boards after the disasters in APS and the other aforementioned counties is the height of naievete. Remember - those board members were elected too. Not sure how being elected suddenly equates to "They'll always do what's best for your child!"

Voting YES to 1162 doesn't remove your ability to vote for school board reps either. That's another one of your lies, Mrs. Hooper. Stop lying to voters.

Vote YES to parental choice and NO to the failed status quo.

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Drowning the voice of reason?

1:02 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Steely Dan, you say that Florida's educational system outranks Georgia's. Our politicians say they want to emulate Florida.

After a decade, as the Miami Herald continues to report in an investigative series titled “Cashing in on kids” (www.miamiherald.com/charterschools), among the findings are:

“During the past 15 years, Florida has embarked on a dramatic shift in public education, steering billions in taxpayer dollars from traditional school districts to independently run charter schools. What started as an educational movement has turned into one of the region’s fastest-growing industries, backed by real-estate developers and promoted by politicians.

“But while charter schools have grown into a $400-million-a-year business in South Florida, receiving about $6,000 in taxpayer dollars for every student enrolled, they continue to operate with little public oversight. Even when charter schools have been caught violating state laws, school districts have few tools to demand compliance.

“Charter schools have become a parallel school system unto themselves, a system controlled largely by for-profit management companies and private landlords — one and the same, in many cases — and rife with insider deals and potential conflicts of interest.”

Monty Brewster

3:11 pm on Saturday, October 13, 2012

Sounds like what Obama said about ObamaCare. It's not perfect, but lets go ahead and approve it anyway.

This amendment is HIGHLY flawed. Vote NO in NOvember.

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Mike payne

9:30 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Election day is near and I agree with you Elizabeth we are trying to take the door off the hinges and bust the kids out of as many failing schools as possible. The school does not even have to be failing maybe there is an issue between the parents and a teacher or the principle is a problem, well under your system the parents just have to accept the fact if they can't afford private school then they are SOL. You mention Alison Walton and imply her putting money into a cause she believes in is somehow some type of secret Obama plan, what? You have chosen to side with Sen. Emanuel Jones on this issue, that makes me feel all the more confident I am on the right side of this issue. For those unaware of Sen. Jones he was the brain surgeon who wore chains during a vote to equate that having to show an ID to vote is a form of slavery, nice. I can not say it enough, local control starts with the parents.

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MP

11:31 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Elizabeth - I find it extremely hard (make that impossible) to believe that you, as a regular old traditional school mom (at the end of the schooling experience almost) spend all this time (and it is hours and hours and hours of research and blogging - I know, because I do it, too) JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WORRIED. I have a dog in the fight with my kids being in a charter that is worried about closure. But you? No. It makes no sense.

There is some reason that you have latched onto this like a dog with a bone. Haven't figured it out yet. Perhaps it is a real estate thing - you and your husband are in real estate. Perhaps that's it? I don't know....but there is some underlying motivation. Your "commitment" to defeating the amendment is too rabid for the average citizen.

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Elizabeth Hooper

7:24 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Keep looking MP - you must spend too much time hanging around people who are paid to express their opinion. Guess what - there are 1,000's of moms like me and taxpayers without kids who really care about this issue and have had it up to their eyeballs with hired hands and politicians who are dishonest. I just happen to like writing. It's kind of a stress reliever - gets all the angst out you know.

Frank Jones

1:17 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

MP - I can speak as to Elizabeth and her motives, I have to take her at her words. For me, I've spent many hours posting comments, during research and pointing out the flaws of the pro-Amendment arguments. I'm not paid. I'm not a politician. I'm not a teacher. I'm not married to a teacher. BUT I AM an informed parent of brilliant children who are tops in their traditional public school and tops on all of their national standardized tests.

You cannot assume that since there are paid pro-Amendment commentators that there are paid anti-Amendment commentators. The last I checked, the pro-Amendment forces are spending millions compared to the anti-Amendment's thousands.

Lastly, the name calling such as you calling her "rabid" is crazy and has to stop. She has done a good job of presenting sound arguments supported by FACTS...something that the pro-Amendments folks fail to use correctly and honestly.

Just my two cents.

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Frank

1:19 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Steely Dan needs to consider a very important aspect of Charter Schools and their contribution to segregation. Here is an example in Calhoun County, GA.

According to the Georgia Department of Education website, Pataula Charter Academy's enrollment of white students is 75%, yet the white demographic in Edison is approximately 32%.

Transportation, or lack thereof, largely determines a student's ability to attend, or not attend a charter school. If you can afford to transport your child to the school, there is an increased likelihood you might choose the charter school option. For many, transportation is unaffordable. It shows more clearly in the following example.

92% of Calhoun County students are Eligible for Free/Reduced Meals.
Yet, at Pataula Charter Academy just 54% are Eligible for Free/Reduced Meals.

Hmmm.... Guess which group considers transportation more affordable!

Coincidence???? Doubtful !

There are numerous similar examples throughout the state - a charter school example that illustrates how charter schools can emulate private schools at public cost.

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Frank

1:21 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Steely Dan also needs to consider that the CREDO study, Stanford University revealed 17% of charter schools narrowly bested their counterparts. 37% were worse, 46% showed no statistical difference in their academic performance.

Let's get back to Calhoun County School District and the Pataula Charter Academy (PCA).

Total combined enrollment is roughly 850 students.

About 235 of those attend PCA.
State Avg. Quality Basic Education (QBE) for K12 students is: $4,290.

Approx. 27% of the Calhoun County School District's QBE funding will instead go to PCA (i.e. roughly $1.0 million of $3.7 million).

Fixed operating costs for the Calhoun County School District will thus cost more per student thereby placing an additional burden on families who can least afford the increase.

Oh... here's the real kick in the pants... didn't yet mention that the state is also going to fund PCA at a higher rate per student at $6,392. That's 1.5 times the rate that the state will fund a student in the Calhoun County School District.

So... more funding for those who can afford to transport themselves, less for those who don't along with being saddled with greater fixed expenses.

A district's reaction time to this financial nightmare needs to be considered.

Surprise - Guess what, we hear the state just approved a state charter school - you have less than 6 months to figure out how to cope with a 30% budget cut! Toodles!

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Steely Dan

10:26 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

It's all about Funding for Frank. At least he's consistent.

Meanwhile, the traditional public school system the NO crowd so blindly endorses has made us a national laughingstock. No matter how much the NOs try to spin it, our national rankings in all categories are laughable. But the NOs don't care about Quality - only Quantity...as in the Quantity of tax $$ they can spend. Not once in any NO argument do you see any interest in the Quality of education - only lies and misinformation about effects on their incessant desire for More Funding.

This spend,spend,spend mentality has helped lead to the corruption we saw in APS and the numerous accreditation issues seen in many GA counties(too many to list. Google 'GA School Board SACS loss'). It's led to corruption in places like DeKalb, where no vehicle is expensive enough for the superintendent even as they claim they can't pay their teachers.

If any of these examples were Charter schools, they'd be closed. Instead, their superintendents and BOEs actually have the nerve to stick their hands out for More Funding while insisting on Zero Accountability.

It's time for this failed system to change. We've given this liberal experiment some 3 decades of doubling per-child spending and we've got APS to show for it.

Vote YES to better educational Quality.
Vote YES to less corruption.
Vote YES to more accountability.
Vote YES to 1162.

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Monty Brewster

10:55 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Echo... echo.... echo....

You say the same thing every time. You ignore the fact that charter schools will increase spending. You ignore the fact that more than $1,000,000 per school of taxpayer dollars is going to a corporation as profit instead of toward our children.

You ignore these simple facts. You say spending is bad, then ask for more spending.

Have you ever been in a public school? 26+ five and six year olds in a classroom, 32+ high school students in math and science classes... how do you get these classroom numbers lower? Hire more teachers. What do you need to hire more teachers? The wrong answer would be decreased funding... again... we are not asking for more funding, we are asking for APPROPRIATE funding. QBE has not been followed for several years. Public schools are underfunded for what the legislators putting in mandates want the schools to achieve.

Speaking of accountability... has CCA posted their financials yet?

The only way to get LESS CORRUPTION will not be by voting at this point... it will only be achieved through a recall of one of the most corrupt politicians in America. If the legislators that got us in this mess are the ones supporting and writing Amendment 1, there is absolutely no way I'm voting for it.

Vote NO in NOvember.

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Steely Dan

11:47 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Monty, why not cut some of the Admin fat to help out with funding? How can you whine about a lack of funding yet support monthly vehicle stipends for the superintendent? How can you support paying for the super's gasoline bill but then complain about a lack of $$ for teachers?

You're the same echo chamber - it's always more funding, no increase in quality, no accountability with you.

Cherokee county cut spending and SAT scores rose...this, after years of over-spending and stagnant scores.

It's not 2006 anymore for anyone. This includes education. Charters do a better job across the board since their existence depends on it. They graduate a higher % of students than the TPS model, and close if they don't. Conversely, last I checked, no APS schools have been closed.

Speaking of accountability, I'm still unable to get a copy of the 1000+ page CCSD budget unless I pay tons of $$$ myself for a copy.

Charter schools cost less than the traditional public school model and every company involved with the TPS model is making a profit off your tax dollars. Where's your outrage at the for-profit companies supplying books, food, gas, etc?

You're only angry because the charter admin $$$ isn't going into the pockets of already-overpaid TPS supers and admins...the very people you advocate for, the children's education be damned.

Vote YES.

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Monty Brewster

9:33 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Dan, so we should cut "administrative fat" in a county that spends about half on administration per child than what our local charter school does? How about Jon Hage's jet? You seem like paying for his jet fuel is okay. How can you complain about a Superintendent that has brought this county from the brink of losing accreditation to being one of the top 5 performing districts annually? He isn't even the top paid Super in the state of Georgia. Please do your homework and see how irrelevant your argument is here. He is paid accordingly. He's not getting the $1M bonus that Hage gets though.

No accountability? You can look up any real public school's financials online. Where's the accountability in charter schools? How's that financial cook book coming along at CCA?

CCSD scores can be attributed to all the work put in when the funding was still there. Those kids benefited from times past. If you want less funding, how about we do the same at your charter school? Lets cut funding and see what happens.

I haven't seen any stats on charter grad rate, but I'll bet they kick out those that will not graduate before that time comes so it affects the TPS grad rate and not their own.

Charter schools don't cost less, they just provide fewer services. Do charters not use books now?

I am advocating for the children that are most affected by this change.

I'm angry because of the misguidance of legislators, taking advantage of parents looking for change.

Vote NO.

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Steely Dan

4:37 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Monte, I'm not paying anyone's air fare. Not sure what you're referring to. CCSD outspends any charter school in every category.

OTOH, you & I are both paying the super's gas bills. It's comical to hear you NO folks whine about lack of funding as you rush to defend the bloated salary and perks of various supers. We don't have to pay the super's gas bills in order for our teachers to succeed.

No offense but you're ignorant of the CCSD budget. The online version doesn't get into the line x line detail I'd like to see. To get that costs me, the taxpayer funding it, $100s to get a copy. Don't believe me? Call the CCSD and ask for the actual budget, not the edited PDF that gets published that doesn't list the various admin perks, interior decorating costs, etc that you rush to defend.

Charters cost less and provide more. Charters teach foreign language - TP schools do not. Charters graduate over 90% of students compared to the laughably-dismal 66% rate your TPS model does.

Look, I understand that you TPS lovers fear competition, since it exposes the numerous weaknesses of the TPS model but change is coming whether or not 1162 passes. People across America are tired of the TPS model and the multiple-choice-test mentality it teaches to. We're tired of a mere 1 in 4 college-bound students being prepared for that, thanks to the mediocre TPS model. Vote YES for more competition and less mediocrity.

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MP

1:38 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Frank -

Read the whole study, friend. And read Hoxby, too.

Let's talk about PCA and its districts.

First of all - PCA transports kids.

PCA is an LEA and spends $0 on central administration with its over 300 kids. Baker County, with its 350 kids spends over half a million in central administration. They have comparable numbers of kids and comparable duties - and Baker County takes money OUT of the classroom to fund the bureaucrats.

You fail to mention that when QBE leaves, so does the associated expense. Class sizes go down, and variable costs, which are considerable, decrease. You folks always talk about money going away, but you always forget to mention that so does the expense.

Let's talk about the state funds. Again, you like to omit key facts. Let's line it up side by side so the public isn't misled with more omissions:

Traditional School Avg. State Charter School Avg.
State Revenue $4290 $5230
Local Revenue $3686 $0
Facility Funding $1071 $316

TOTAL FUNDING $8993 $5546

Tell the truth.

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MP

1:41 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

@ Monty - no, CCA has not posted their financials because:

* Fiscal year didn't end until 6/30
* They had to have the audit conducted
* The audit wasn't due to the state until October 1.

Has Cherokee County published THEIR financial data? Nope. For the same reasons - and you won't see theirs until after the first of the year if not later.

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Monty Brewster

10:16 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Dan - we finally agree on something. Education is messed up. Standardized testing is not what we should be doing. However, just like with charter schools, this is a billion dollar industry. There isn't a politician out there there will say standardized testing is failing our children. It's not the teachers, its not the schools.... its the legislators. They are the policy makers. Do you understand that? Yet we continue to vote again and again for the same idiots in our state Capitol.

We do need change, but Amendment 1 is not the change we need. VOTE NO. Amendment 1 is the T-SPLOST of November. Very few will benefit while most will suffer even more.

Know NO in NOvember.

Mike payne

2:08 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

92% of the kids in Calhoun are eligible for free/reduced meals, sounds like most of their parents need to step it up. That is a disgrace not a reason to take choice away from the 54% who are willing to do what it takes to get out of a failing system. Again you are more concerned with money instead of changing a system that is a huge failure. I think it is great they are going to fund 1.5 times the amount they do in the Calhoun County School District that way in the future they (tax-payers) may not have to be responsible for providing lunch for over 90% of their students. And by the way if they raise taxes, the parents whose kids are eating the reduced lunch will not be the ones getting their taxes raised.

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Have a heart

9:46 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

You sound upset that tax dollars help feed hungry children.
I hope I'm not reading that correctly!

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MP

1:47 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

Mike - here is a bigger issue...

Calhoun County's CENSUS data does not show that high of poverty...or minority numbers. The COMMUNITY numbers are about 60/40 minority/white) and less than 40% under the poverty line. The districts down there serve nearly 100% minority and in the high 90s for economically disadvantaged students. They PERPETUATE the poverty cycle AND segregation. What, in the last 30 years, have these districts done to mirror their community? Does the administrative staff and school board mirror even their community? Nope - bunch of caucasian folks.

Monty Brewster

3:42 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Mike, money is the main issue standing between your choice of getting out of public schools. So yes, it is all about money. How about you "step it up" and pay for your own private education instead of leaning on the tax payers. Wow. You harp on parents that can't afford to feed their children, but then think its nice to have options. You seriously amaze me by how self centered you really are.

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Jen

12:50 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Mike, free and reduced lunch program is federally funded and is available at all public, non-profit private schools and child development centers. Everyone pays for it. The economic status of the kids in Calhoun County plays into PCA's "success" . They take kids from 5 counties and when you account for the differences in demographics you would expect that they would have a higher outcome. I'm afraid if you want to do away with free/reduced lunch you better get much busier than posting on a local news blog. You really think state charters are the answer to dysfunctional districts? How about looking at Ivy Prep's expenses, which in 2010-2011 spent a measly 39% of their income on instruction.

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Mike payne

9:40 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I find 92% a disturbingly high number and your response is I "want to do away with free/reduced lunch". Jen, do you want to try and reduce that number or are you good with 9 out of 10 parents needing help to pay for a lunch that is less than two dollars?

Mike payne

9:33 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The great thing about Charter Schools is if they do not meet my kids needs I can pull them out, that is why it is called choice. Monty, I will gladly put my kids in a private school if I feel my local public school is not doing the job. I can afford it, what is your solution to the parents who can't? Oh yeah you do not have one. Instead you get on here and call me self centered because I am willing to fight for a school my kids love and I believe in.

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Monty Brewster

9:12 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Well Mike... I can tell you what is not a solution... pulling funding from where 95% of students are attending school and putting it in a parallel system (that research shows performs worse more often then better - http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/National_Release.pdf) while creating an additional layer of bureaucracy and government that does not answer to the voters. I have seen and heard many solutions, but the educrats under the Gold Dome (that think they know more about education than people that actually work in education and come up with viable, real solutions) just ignore those peon teachers that work with our children on a daily basis because politicians obviously know better than all of us parents and those pesky teachers. How about lower class size for starters? How about attracting the best people into the field of education by offering better pay for teachers? How about we not abandon those children that would otherwise go unfed without free/reduced breakfasts and lunches? It's elitists like you, that are only looking out for themselves, that got us into this mess in the first place. Can you please tell us some more stories about how privileged you are and what you can afford while we have so many others that can't afford to feed their children?

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Steely Dan

4:46 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

The problem with your ideas, Monty, is that we've been doing that for years now. GA's teacher pay ranking is much higher than the state's ed. rankings (http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/) and is the best avg. salary of any SE state.

In Cherokee County, we voted ourselves a tax-increase (you libs love those!!) called ESPLOST that will help build schools and other projects that should be used to help decrease class size. The only people abandoning children is the TPS model that lets 33% of its students not graduate on time, which increases costs across the board.

It's liberals like you and your incessant need for infinite spending increases with no accountability that have gotten us into this mess...and have gotten so many parents wanting to opt out of this failed TPS model you so blindly support.

GA has doubled per-child spending the past 20+ years. We've got bottom-USA rankings to show for it. It's time to give parents another choice with all these billions of $$$ the TPS model has been squandering over the years. Vote YES.

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MP

1:16 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

@ Monty Brewster -

You sound like one of those little dolls where you pull the string and it repeats the same GSBA, GSSA, PAGE, GAE, and PTA lines, "It's a parallel system." "It siphons money."

Let's look at the FACTS rather than the rhetoric that you repeat without verifying:

HR 1162, lines 50-54.
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/display/20112012/HR/1162

HB 797, starting with line 317:
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/display/20112012/HB/797

The laws (2 of them) PROHIBIT money from being taken from districts.

Break off the pull string and get your own lines to share - hopefully ones that are based in truth and hold with logic.

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Monty Brewster

10:39 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Dan - Do you understand how good schools affect local economy? Do you understand how increased population affects the number of schools needed?

MP - if you are blind, dumb, or just plain ignorant, your points could possibly make sense. However, for people that can perform simple arithmetic and can read, we can see between the lines of the politicking you have going on here.

Are the school districts experiencing more austerity cuts each year? YES.
Are charter schools getting increased funding? YES.
Where is that money coming from? The state.
Where do the austerity cuts to school districts go? The state.
I'm just saying... even if you say that money is not coming from the local schools to the charter schools directly, it is being withheld from the school districts and given to the charter schools. It's nothing less than money laundering at the state level.

Money will continue to be cut from the school districts and given to charter schools which will then go to fuel "Big Education" corporations. They'll get their millions in profits while the children in the school districts will have even more crowded classes, possibly 40 or 50 students in a class with little or no resources. These corporations care about the students about as much as "Big Oil" cares about you being able to get to work.

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Monty Brewster

10:41 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Charters will cost the state more money - this would be what you refer to as increased spending. Where is this money coming from if it isn't from the school districts? China? No wonder CCA is offering Mandarin. We may all need to learn Mandarin if this Amendment passes.

VOTE NO!

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Steely Dan

12:08 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

To sum up all of Monty's (& the rest of the NO crowd's) arguments:

"$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!"

To sum up the "YES" arguments:
"We need to do a better job educating our children and Charters are a step in that direction."

The predictable "NO" rebuttal: "But $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!"

Vote YES.

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Monty Brewster

11:20 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

You keep trying to say it isn't about money. If that is what you believe, you are completely ignorant to this matter. How will charter schools manage without money? Oh, that's right, they are getting MORE money. Why do charters stop enrolling after FTE count? Because the don't get anymore money - it doesn't benefit them. Go tell CSUSA that they won't make that million dollar profit margin next year as well. CSUSA will bail on CCA faster than Will "The Winner" can ramble off Saturday afternoon's spreads.

Say NO to larger class sizes.
Say NO to more furlough days.
Say NO to more government.
Say NO to Amendment 1.

Mike payne

2:45 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

There you go again "abandon those children that would otherwise go unfed without free/reduced breakfasts and lunches" my point is, it is sad the number is that high. How you go from that to abandonment is sick. True compassion is getting as many people as possible to be self sufficient. So you admit we are in a mess now, how bold of you, too bad this mess was created long before Charter Schools came along. So what is your excuse for the mess? You calling me an elitist is a joke, I grew up with a single mother from the age of 1 and graduated from a Clayton County School High School with no further education. I welcome the day you are ready to man up and post your tax returns against mine and verify that I double you up in charitable contributions not to mention volunteering time to help those less fortunate.

You want to reduce class size but then complain that the charter schools are taking kids, huh? Oh no my bad you are fine with the kids leaving you are upset because you will not get to keep state money going to a school he does not attend. The fact you get to keep the local money is not enough (it never is for the government) even though my kid will not be at the local school. Talk about wanting it both ways.

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MP

1:20 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012

@ Monty - and how about you also stop looking at a study that has gotten criticized from other researchers...and, if you MUST use it, at least show what it really says (that charters over time out perform in reading and math). To counter it, read Caroline Hoxby. Even better, why don't you use some common sense and compare Georgia performance - charters versus traditional schools. The charters out perform - call the Governor's Office of Student achievement yourself and ask for the data.

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Monty Brewster

10:56 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Is this like when Lyn Carden tried to compare CCA's retakes to CCSD's original tests? You can pay researchers enough to have them change the numbers to say whatever you want them to say, but a study of this size can't be ignored. This is the most inclusive study to date (and bias free). This is kind of like you guys saying GA is 47th in the nation in education. It is.... when you compare 80% of the student population scores in GA to only the top 5-20% of other states. That's just ridiculous.

Caroline Hoxby (for anyone reading this) is a long time proponent of privatization and a senior fellow at the anti-public education think tank, Hoover Institution. Of course she is going to try and knock down anything that doesn't prove charters are superior.

VOTE NO!

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