Fulton Science Academy MS Audit Reveals Many Problems
An audit prepared for the Fulton School System shows conflicts of interest, lack of safety procedures for students on international trips, immigration issues and poor bookkeeping.
An audit of Fulton Science Academy Middle School raised enough questions that the Fulton Superintendent of Schools is planning audits of its sister schools, Fulton Sunshine Academy and Fulton Science Academy High School.
Superintendent Robert Avossa presented the audit report to the Fulton School Board today, June 5, telling board members this summer they need to discuss how to proceed with relations with all county charter schools.
Read the entire report to the school system, and the letter of introduction from the superintendent to the school board that accompany this article.
Avossa said in his presentation and a letter to the board that the audit of the school–which remains a Fulton charter school until June 30, 2012–raises several concerns, including:
- Inappropriate vendor relationships, self-dealing, and conflicts of interest
- Concerns regarding the $19 million construction bond
- Lack of appropriate safety procedures for students during international field trips
- Poor security practices related to background criminal checks for staff
- Federal immigration issues related to staff
- Poor record and bookkeeping
- The lack of cooperation by FSAMS with the audit
Prior relationships with Grace Institute, which Principal Kenan Sener and Executive Director Ali Ozer had been board members, were cited as a problem. And the school's governg council's failure to advertise for bids when it again contracted with the company in Fall 2011 was another problem.
The payment of immigration services for spouses and employees of the elementary and high schools without compensation from them was another problem cited.
"How did this happen?" asked Catherine Maddox, the District 6 board member. "Over time, they've been a charter in Fulton for 10 years, and tis is really just a snapshot of the last couple of years. How did this oversight happen or not happen?"
Avossa said the primary responsibility for oversight for all charter schools lies in the governing councils at these schools.
"That's why the conflict of interest is so critical. The very people responsible for overseeing these items have been shown to be in conflict of interest time and time again in this audit," the superintendent said. While the Fulton School Board can do things to mitigate the problems, "the real accountability lies at the local governance council. That's a primary concern."
Lisa Machado
8:16 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Seriously? I'm disappointed in the Patch falling for this. Do you really not see it? Dr. Avossa has already shut FSA public school down, and now he does not wish them to be successful as a private school. We all know he is anti-Charter, against parent choice and targeting the next Charters. Follow the money guys ....
AMD
11:14 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I am so surprised parents are not directing their anger at the Board of the Middle School. It's not only the Fulton County School Board but the State that saw red flags with the governance actions of the Board that is causing the audit. If I were a parent of a child in that school I would be outraged at the performance of the Board and the mess they have created. Its so very sad...
MarkMunoz
4:44 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Excerpt of a letter from a former FSA parent (May 2011)
The Fulton County Department of Education is committed to the success of charter schools. They have done everything possible to make sure that charter schools are following the rules IF the parents and community understand the responsibilities and influence they have over the Board.
The success of the schools are in the hands of the board, parents & community.
I hope that parents will:
• find out who is on the Board
• attend Board Meetings
• understand they share responsibility for hiring
Next, parents need to educate themselves and their kids on the Gulen movement. Find out what the Gulen movement stands for beyond the marketing. Do you believe in Gulen's vision for Turkey, treatment of women and the fact his followers are not direct about their intentions? If not, ask questions
Read the entirety of the letter here:
http://gulencharterschools.weebly.com/fulton-science-academy---letter-from-parent.html
MarkMunoz
3:02 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Your school is still DENIED it's charter and will be CLOSED.
I wonder what the audit of the other 2 schools will show?
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
9:40 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Learn all about MarkMunoz here
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/mary+addi
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
9:41 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Learn all about MarkMunoz here.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
9:42 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Learn about MarkMunoz here
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/mary+addi
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
10:27 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
AMD,
Parents are livid with FSA MS Board We have little or no power with FSA or the county board. Moving, going to private schools, home schooling, hardening our kids to attend some of the less savory North Fulton schools are our opyions. Every party I see involved is responsible for this.
FSA MS offered agreat product. Involved parents, real diversity , and strong academic challenges for students. Of course the parents are angry, we'd have been happy to oust them (some of us) but the County either isn't in a place to drive that or weren't interested.
Anyway, there may be a hope to keep FSA ES school open. Perhaps we can get the board removed there?
As you read below please note the almost sadistic glee from MarkMonoz. She is a paid anti Gulen writer and appears on any blog regarding Turk run schools in the US warning us stupid Americans about how blind we are. Take a look http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/mary+addi.
It's bad enough that so many kids were pulled from a school they loved and thrived in, but we also get these carpet baggers telling us how very happy they are to see all of this pain.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:11 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
The one person who seems so gleeful about this whole sad situation is Mark Munoz aka Mary Addi. http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
Mark Mary, why do you feel compelled to denigrate ayone who is saddened by the closing of this school?
Go back to Ohio and leave Georgians to manage our won affairs.
J.
8:29 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Good job Patch!
I disagree with Lisa Machado (above). YOU got the truth out, and I see the AJC & NYTimes got the info too. I know it's so tempting to print the "spin", but kudos for following a valid, unbiased, professional AUDIT REPORT.
There's no denying invoices, receipts and accounting.
Digging into an issue, translating REAL DATA, and getting a story to us... REAL NEWS reporting! Thanks Patch!
BTW- The "faux-news-folks" who just broadcast the non-validated-blatherings, and unresearched claims... that's pathetic.
The reason this audit result was relevant to the NYTimes... it's one of many documented findings nationwide... coming together like pieces in a puzzle... beginning to see the larger picture.
Stay strong Patch-Man! Your real followers (and friends!) will stay with you long-term because you are reliable. Others will leave you, when they are done using you to print their version!
MarkMunoz
5:01 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
An audit commissioned by Fulton County Schools and released Tuesday said the financial viability of the two sister schools -- Fulton Sunshine Academy, an elementary school; and Fulton Science Academy High School -- were put at risk when the school leadership obtained the bond issue without knowing whether the middle school charter would be extended.
Auditors also found that the middle school had issued contracts without bids and to organizations with ties to school officials.
Now that the bonds have been declared in default, the trustee for those who bought them can foreclose on the property or take control of the three schools' revenues to pay back bondholders. Bondholders also could hold off on forclosure if a better alternative is proposed.
The bond issue holds all three schools equally liable.
The bonds have plunged in value and been knocked down to junk bond status. On Tuesday, worried investors sold some of the academy's bonds for as low as 69 cents on the dollar.
The bonds were issued so the elementary, middle and high schools could move out of separate leased facilities and come together on a single 44-acre campus in Alpharetta.
The bulldozers had just started rolling when state officials sent the schools a letter, telling them they were violating state school board policy by failing to obtain prior state approval.
tom deeb
5:31 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Mark,
The quotation you provided was not a part of the report. In fact there is no mention the financial impact on the other schools. And only on one page were the other schools even named. Sorry this is a quotation from the New York Times.
Even the headline for the article is wrong --- not sure how they did but it makes for sensationalism which is good for selling papers.
Cheers
MarkMunoz
4:33 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Well I guess we are now seeing the meltdown of another failed Gulen charter school and we all know that FSA MS and FSA ES Father is a fake poster and is a member of Hizmet. Tom, I hope you are getting your eyes full about the type of people you are rubbing elbows with.
Watch out for them, as they start to show their true face when they are angry and this usually happens when they don't get their way or have lost a charter school( again and again) Tom, do not go down with this group, no amount of money that you are making in Azerbaijan is worth it.
As far as Bob the editor giving two shakes about FSA MS and FSA ES Father
aka Gulenist opinion. What does it really matter? The school is closed.
Tom, you need to make an exit from these people before they destroy your reputation and credibility in the community of Alpharetta, Georgia. It's not looking good so far with you trying to conceal the truth about your connections with this dangerous group. Remember in Azerbaijan, they could have you thrown in jail if they please, they can plant marijuana on you and make a death look like an accident. These are the type of people you want teaching our children?
Georgia has spoken they are not interested in these rejects from Turkey. Even their leader had to flee for a good reason. Now that you have blamed everyone for your school closing next you will start your conspiracy theories that the editor here must be in on it and is a part of some Greek resistance.
Emil
9:40 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Sounds like this could be a last gasp of a system that's already cut ties. Nevertheless, checks and balances are a good thing, and should be played out. I certainly would have liked to have read the other side of this story.
MarkMunoz
3:30 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
hey Tommy boy;
Remember Baybars Bakay who taught at Fulton Science Academy?
Look at this link, scroll down it it shows his domain and address in Alpharetta, GA how he was the one responsible for http://www.gulenschools.org
If that is not enough to convince you of their lying ways, I really fear for you being mingled with the Gulen Movement. They will turn on you like a wild dog when they don't get their way.
Read it and WEEP:
http://gulencharterschools.weebly.com/fulton-science-academy.html
Andrea
9:46 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
I am so very proud of the Patch! Yes, you are printing facts rather than emotional letters from people who have their heads in the sand. The audit started the peeling of the onion......the school's association with Grace Management, which is tied to Gulen - see 60 Minutes two weeks ago. Read the charters of the schools. They are 300 pages but trust me, you will come away with a much different opinion. People need to conduct their research before jumping behind something that "seems" like a good idea.
Smartie
1:35 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Baloney, faloney! It appears that Fulton Board is trying to discredit the entire concept of charter's existence whether it's one charter or another. Even if there was a new charter, they'd be opposing it on one ground or another. That's not constitutional in this FREE COUNTRY where people can even walk around in daylight with handguns!!! Somehow, it doesn't seem balanced - that the citizens have the FREEdom to carry handguns but not the FREEdom to choose a school for their kids. Maybe as an experiment, a bunch of new Charter Schools by all different leaderships and communities should be sprouted all over Fulton and see how the Board reacts(retalliates) to that!!! Huh?
MarkMunoz
3:03 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Smartie; Your schools still is DENIED it's charter and will be CLOSED.
FSA will be a distant memory and 1 month from now no one will care (yawn)
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:13 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary again with your bad attitude. What about the kids, some of who face schools with gang related activities.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
Smartie
1:37 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Kudos to ALL of Lisa Machados' points!
MarkMunoz
6:13 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
FSA MS and FSA ES Father;
You are no father.
What difference does it make if they go to a school with gang activitivies, the school they attended FSA was operated by a gang...the Gulen Mafia and organized crime. To the tune of over $25 million stolen from Wells Fargo, and the American tax payers.
FSA is gone, move on with your organized crime, you will need to move quick before the next 2 audits. Real quick.
Smartie
1:45 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Prediction: Many smart parents in N Fulton area will place their houses on the market (now that the housing is getting much better!), place their kids in strong charter schools in either Gwinnett or Cobb or few of the respected private schools, devalue the popularity of the N Fulton school districts, and then the Fulton Board will face declining enrollment fueled by declining scores precipitated by top echelons (academic elites) of the student body (from K to 12th grade) disappear from the communities. POOF! Where's the money? No students, no money honey! It works that way as well. If smart parents aren't given the da*^ choice, they have the means to seek choices elsewhere. That's why they're smart parents because they look out for the well-being of their kids rather than being complacent and accept 'as is'. You take out the % of those parents who either send their kids to these charter schools and/or those parents who'd like to send their kids to special magnet programs from Fulton County test score results, what do you think you'll get????? Even with these kids intact, Fulton didn't pass the AYP last year. Why do you think their scorecard will get any better without these smart parents' kids around to boost up the already failing scores of the entire county? You take away or ignore the needs of the academic elite, what do you think they'll end up with? Loss of student enrollment, declining housing value, and reputation that will never salvaged.
Terry
2:08 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Do you honestly believe this audit was objective and professional? Really? Look at the last page specifically. A number of the so called “vendors” aren’t vendors of the school at all. The Fountain Magazine was a magazine that the principal wrote an article for. That doesn’t mean they are a vendor to the school – there have been no financial ties to it. Same with many of the schools listed. There are “relationships” in that some employees of the school that moved on to other schools who contract GRACE’s services, but that doesn’t make them a vendor. And isn’t it interesting that not all of the former employees’ career movements are documented? Only Turkish ones and ones that suit their purposes.
MarkMunoz
4:06 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Fountain publishing / Magazine is just one of the Gulenist operated media outlets, a few others are "Today's Zaman" (mouthpiece of the Gulen Movement and the AKP party) and ERBU TV.. The audit and numbers speak for themselves, this was just a scratch of the surface there is so much more to FSA and their inter relations with the other schools and the multitude of Gulen front groups like Grace Institute that clearly billed the school but never produced any kind of service that was worthy of the money - nor do they have the employees with any kind of experience - as the audit alluded to.
Besides the money and financial mismanagement. the constant denials of affilations is concerning. If exiled Imam Fethullah Mohammed Gulen was about peace, love, tolerance and dialogue.......why would anyone deny affiliation with something so positive?
Hark ye protest way too much.
tom deeb
5:18 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
So Mark,
Lets see so if an article is published in a magazine and you happen to be an American with a Turkish last name. Therefore you must be what ....
So the same holds for any American who is published in lets say products by Murdoch --- they must be in league with a felon because they published in Wall Street Journal or New York Post.
Sorry this dog just don't hunt.
Cheers
Terry
2:09 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The purpose of the diagram serves to show the purpose of the entire audit, which was to tie the school to Gulen. It is not objective if there is a clear agenda in mind. As far as proof goes, they give none. There is no explanation of the relationships between any of the entities and Gulen. Gulen is such a well-known person in Turkey that you could tie any Turkish person somehow to Gulen when you use loosely governed logic like that. It would be no different than affiliating all Americans with Obama just because he is our President (even if you didn’t vote for him).
The report also makes it seem like numerous individuals didn’t even pay for their trip to Turkey. Hello, have you ever heard of people buying their own tickets online? Yes, some went through the school group to purchase them, but others obviously did not. The parents were participants on the trip, not chaperones, so background checks were unnecessary – those that were chaperones were school employees and they have all gone through background checks.
MarkMunoz
4:09 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Terry if you believe the audit was somehow unfair or biased why don't you and Cemaat get your attorney to file a lawsuit against the State of Georgia BOE, and the Fulton County BOE? Remember it isn't defamation if it "true" you have to be prepared in discovery to show that it isn't true. It doesn't sound like you Gulencis can do that.
Here is my advice:
Pay back the money
Come clean on your affliations
Open our private school
Move on your days as a public school are over, they don't want you.
Terry
8:13 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Who is Cemaat? I don't know anyone here by that name. I know what's going on "MarkMunoz" - I've encountered people like you on the ESPN message boards. You're what they call a "troll" (look it up if you don't know what it means), and I'm not falling for your petty games. I've seen you on other message boards on the Patch before too and your goal is to try to discredit people by calling them Gulenist or Turkish. Well "MarkMunoz", at least I'm man enough to use my real name instead of hiding behind a fake moniker. It wouldn't take too much intelligence to figure out EXACTLY who I am and come visit me to see that I'm not Turkish or Gulenist. I'd encourage you to stop by and see me for yourself, but I know you don't live anywhere near here - that's evidenced by past comments I've seen you make.
You don't know anything about the school except what you read in the news, and since we all know the media are clearly biased (after all, they only printed one side of the story in this case and didn't bother to do any leg work to find answers to any of the allegations), your views are narrow-minded and come out looking hateful and spiteful towards Turkish people. Take your xenophobic hatred for other cultures elsewhere...
Terry
2:09 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Another area of concern for such a document as this is that student names are mentioned in it. Where is the confidentiality? That’s certainly unethical, and NEVER should have been released to the public in that form. Fulton County School System (FCSS) simply does not care - their purpose is to negatively affect the school. Some of the names in there weren’t even correctly identified as parent or student – something that if they had asked, they would have known the correct answer to, along with numerous other mistakes (which the school’s Board will release soon). The auditors’ purpose though wasn’t necessarily to get the facts right, because if it was, then they would have asked and gotten correct answers. They were there because FCSS sent them there with a purpose.
MarkMunoz
4:13 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
If their names are in your paperwork which was give to the auditors / forensic accountants that is debatable. Unfortunately, you are going tit for tat and not going anywhere with our defenses.
Maybe the best thing to do is start telling the truth. You could save your reputation and possible your school. You make it sound like some big conspiracy against FSA. Why is that?
Isn't truth important for the American tax payer to know, we have the right to know how you have spent our money and what you are doing with our children.
Terry
8:21 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I think it's funny how you accuse me of being Turkish, yet your grammar makes you look like someone from another culture. Maybe you're really a Turkish person who doesn't like Gulen and whose agenda is to malign all Turkish schools by calling them all Gulenist. Hmmm, sounds like you were projecting onto me earlier (if you don't know what the psychological term projecting means, look it up). Ironically, my Turkish boss has used the phrase "tit for tat" a few times I can remember - I don't know of many Americans that do anymore. Again, there has been no evidence of money laundering (like you imply) in either this audit or the Fitch audit the school had done earlier in the year. The money was used to educate the students, just like our test scores would indicate, and your comment above that debases the teachers here again makes you look petty. The teachers were all great as is evidenced by how the students performed.
Terry
2:09 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The report also makes it seem like numerous individuals didn’t even pay for their trip to Turkey. Hello, have you ever heard of people buying their own tickets online? Yes, some went through the school group to purchase them, but others obviously did not. The parents were participants on the trip, not chaperones, so background checks were unnecessary – those that were chaperones were school employees and they have all gone through background checks.
MarkMunoz
5:00 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
That is great except this "group" or Cult is known for paying for the trips to Turkey for members of local media, academia and politics. Their front groups pay for this and surely they must be laundering the money out of the schools to pay for it. After all, Cosmos Foundation dba Harmony Science academy had over $6 million in travel expenses reported on their 990 tax returns for 3 years combined.
Conversely, you other sister school in Louisana that was REVOKED Pelican Education System dba Abramson Science and Technology had over $1.6 million for 2009 for travel expenses. That is a lot of trips to Turkish bath houses.
You American Taxpayers can examine 990 Tax returns for free at http://www.guidestar.com
and you can enjoy learning about my Gulenist paid trips to Turkey here
http://www.gulenpoliticians.blogspot.com
Terry
8:26 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
YOUR Gulenist paid trips? What are you saying about yourself here exactly? You also said "Open OUR private school" above. Just because a school in another state has Turkish leadership (I'm assuming they did based on your comment), doesn't mean they are connected - your logic is way off...
Terry
10:23 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Ironically, I went to a Southern Baptist school and a Southern Baptist seminary for my Master's and studied cults, so I know precisely what one is. Although I'll admit that some people seem to very devoted to his teachings, that is only a very small part of what a cult is. I suggest reading the book, Another Gospel by Ruth A. Tucker, and reading the classic signs of a cult. Gulen doesn't really fit the definition, and even if he did, there still is no proof of any tie to them (see the other thread on how ridiculous it is to say we're connected simply because they wrote an article about us). There is no financial tie to Gulen, including the trips to Turkey. Again, the school wouldn't keep records of people paying for their own trips, thus the difference in the so-called "audit". Prove there is a money trail - you can't, and neither did the "audit" done by FCSS or the Fitch audit done earlier this year either. Instead of conspiracy theories, maybe you should actually provide actual proof for once...
Terry
2:10 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
On the topic of the background check for the person who had a criminal background, the indication by the report was that the person was a danger/risk to the children. Certainly no school is going to hire someone dangerous to the children, but the report made it sound as though the person was. To be honest, I actually do know who the person was and talked with that person about the issue. Not to get into too much detail and to protect his privacy – it wasn’t even something that occurred during the employment at the school, it was long afterward, and wasn’t significant anyway.
MarkMunoz
4:16 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
not significant because you usually hire 1st year teachers with little to no experience so they don't question anything. This was the case with your sister school getting revoked and the TEachers Across America who finally did give statements to how and why your imported teachers were not even showing up for their classes. You know the other Gulen managed charter school that was shut down Abramson Science and Technology School in Louisana.
Expect more of this scrutiny until you can be honest with Americans.
MarkMunoz
12:11 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Wow Terry, we have to say nothing to incriminate you and your cult, you are doing a fine job of it. You sound like a crybaby loser, WAaaaaa, WAaaaaaaa, stop the sniffling and move on. It is the Gulen Movement that is prejudice and Turkocentric, they believe that nothing is good, rightous or correct unless Gulenists have their hands on it. Such as why they were indignent and cocky about trying for a laughable 10 year renewal with NO ACCOUNTABILTY. If you could see some of the EEOC lawsuits filed against thise schools regarding prejudice toward American teachers you might understand more.
There is a small sampling here:
http://www.gulencharterschools.weebly.com
or you can google the case of Crouch vs. Harmony Science Academy, a christian spanish teacher treated like dirt not given proper books for her classes, while the Turkish classes got all the books they needed.
Terry give it up, all of your cry baby tactics will not work. Your school is DONE,
Move on, change the name of the school and go private. Hopefully, the community will forgive your loan default and you might get a few kids in your student body.
Otherwise your complaints are pointless, the decision has been made;
YOU ARE NO LONGER A PUBLIC SCHOOL
MarkMunoz
3:40 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Terry;
So what you are Baptist? See how you get away from the main argument by creating more stupity? It has nothing to do with the fact your school is now CLOSED.
and these are more than just "conspiracy theories" it is real, factual and substantiated with over 1 million documents and growing daily.
Do yourself a favor. I am truly trying to help you correct yourself so you can move on with a private school.
Make a statement to the public about your key learnings in this business management of the school. That you are sincere with taking these mistakes, learning from them and improving the school to a level where it is acceptable to everyone.
Change the name of the school, re market it. Stay away from the expensive videos, festivals, campaign contributions, trips to turkey and other nonsense. It only lowers your credibility. Start a program to help with literacy in the community and education. Offer tutoring at night for adults to get their GED and show that you have the character it takes to operate a private school that is community based.
If you keep up the arrogance of blaming others for your shortcommings, no one will respect you or believe that you are credible. Already the majority of the parents have educated themselves and looked at the facts. They will not be returning next year.
Come clean, assume responsibility of YOUR actions and behaviors and you might be able to put this behind you.
Glad to help.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:15 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary
So bitter, so sad.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
Terry
2:10 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Again, I can’t speak to every issue in it, I’ll leave that for the Governing Board to do, but the obstruction issue is one I can address. There is 1 account for all 3 FAS schools. He rotates between them and handles all of the accounting duties for in essence 3 separate companies (even though there is a connection between them). That’s a lot of work obviously. The school, not trusting the County given their previous denial of the charter, insisted on being present at all times the auditors were here. That person generally needed to be the accountant, because he’s the one that best assist them in their task. He can’t be in all places at all times, so he did the best he could. The reason this is an issue is because they had a specific deadline – we didn’t obstruct their task, they just didn’t have the time to get it done in their specific time frame. Why were they in such a hurry you ask? Because they were given a clear objective – find something that can derail the school’s chances of getting the State Charter approved. They said they needed to be done by May. Why May? Because that was during a major phase of the State Charter petition.
MarkMunoz
4:18 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Again it doesn't matter. The audit speaks for itself, you had your chance to be honest and forthright and didn't feel any responsibility or accountability to American people.
It over end of discussion.
Terry
8:31 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Actually, the school didn't have the chance to respond. Despite FCSS telling us they'd allow us to respond to the report first, they didn't and gave it to the media in order to make us look bad by not having a response to it. As I've already mentioned, there are numerous factual errors in it, ones that if they had bothered to ask while they were doing the audit would have been clearly explained, but they didn't because there was an agenda (just like you have yours).
MarkMunoz
3:08 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Terry,
So what? FSA was DENIED it's charter and will be CLOSED.
move on to salvaging your private school. If you did deeper into your audit it will only get worse for your side because it gives the county or state attorney general's office more actionable items to come after FSA for liability.
You still need to answer to Wells Fargo on the default, do you really think any bank will allow you to not be responsible for your actions, behaviors and decisions?
Look in the mirror Terry, I really hope these are not the "character" traits you teach your children.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:18 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
Yes yes it is denied and the school is close. We thank you for your kind thoughts and wishes during this painful time for our children and ourselves.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
Terry
2:10 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The “audit” was far from being objective and distorted many items – more news will follow from the FSA Board if you care to know the explanations. If you want to instead believe the one-sided media story without the facts, then you’ll believe anything…
Sorry for all the posts, but I wrote a long response and there was a character limit...
MarkMunoz
4:23 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Ok so what are your lame explanations:
You have no organic connections to the audit numbers?
You might be inspired by the audit but you are no way part of the audit?
or the best
This audit is baseless and has no scientific proof.
The above quotes are frequent denials given by Gulencis about their affiliation with the Gulen Movement. You distort the truth all the time and are one-sided and have no tolerance for freedom of speech. Just ask the 100 journalists that Gulen had jailed because they DARED to speak about Imam Ordusu.
Now how do you like it when your feet are held to the fire and you have to be accountable? If you have explanations for all of this with substantiated back up -
then answer the audit's findings. Otherwise move on or out. (preferably both)
Andrea
4:05 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The audit is not distorted. There is a hidden agenda and it is out there if you are willing to do diligent investigation.If you think this is malarky, pull up the school's charter....it's on line and approximately 300 pages. You will see the ties to Grace management and Gulen. Go the the 60 minutes website and listen to the interview with Gulen. Do your research for heaven's sake. The items being discussed now should have been on the table years ago....people just didn't know. We will all be sorry if this isn't addressed now.
Terry
4:19 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
I have read my school's charter - tell me, where exactly is Gulen mentioned? Oh, that's right, he's not. GRACE provided the student information system the school used and provided services for the teachers such as benchmark tests - ones the County decided not to give to ALL their schools. "Where students come first" is their motto, but I think it is more like "where money comes first" - there are plenty of programs provided to the other schools in the county that are NOT given to the students of FSA. The hidden agenda lies with those trying to prove there are connections to Gulen when there aren't any. Where are the alleged cash diversions everyone keeps mentioning? They're not there, otherwise it would be on the report. Another audit was performed by Fitch earlier in the year (obviously more thorough than this one was) and nothing was found there. Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen, but show me actual proof instead of "loose connections" and xenophobic rhetoric. The problem is, you can't. The audit and the story are specifically one-sided. The Board will release a statement soon and address all the inaccuracies of the report, so I'm not going to go into that here (besides I addressed a number of them above).
MarkMunoz
12:18 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Terry and the FSA fan club
Being a Gulenist operated school is not even the issue at this point, those ties have been established in the NY Times article about your school.
The point is unaccountability, not accepting responsibility (like your ranting posts) lack of transparency and accountability.
The loan default is a big red flag. The board released a statement and it was very generic, it sounded as if it was written by another of your expensive PR firms like Harmony Science Academy's http:///www.bm.com they charge them over $500 per hour (more American tax money used to pay for your mistakes)
Get a move on and save your school. Re hashing of your past mistakes and labeling it as unfair or whatever is a lot too late.
Seriously, no one cares if you have private schools in the USA but don't expect tax payers to be paying for your festivals, trips, lobbying and overall agenda while you portray the schools as "award winning" we know, we know. We have heard your dribble over and over at each of these schools.
Same thing different day.
Move on and be grateful you may still have an opportunity for a private school, if the community has not lost faith in you.
MarkMunoz
7:43 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Terry;
No but F. Gulen's web site sure mentions your precious FSA, still believe there is no connections?
http://www.fethullahgulen.org/press-room/news/4191-todays-zaman-us-charter-school-dismisses-audits-claims-of-financial-wrongdoing.html
MarkMunoz
8:15 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL6boeBkwGI&feature=relmfu
Look at the scandal, financial mismanagement paying for immigrant fees, etc., at your sister schools in Ohio (Horizon Science Academy) the "other" blue ribbon school (snicker giggles)
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:23 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary
"Snickers / giggles".... Really? Some of us now face spending our kids college money to keep our kids away from gangs and violence in FC schools. You seem rather cold hearted, You seem this way on any of the sites across the US where you post.
I have read that you are a paid for your blogging. I hope you are well paid for the pain you are causing.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
6:16 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Terry:
"Your school's charter"
Sorry but it is no longer a charter and may not even be a private school judging from the crazy reactions from your buddies.
Me
6:18 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@Smartie: If you are smart, you aren't very well-informed and that, of course, is easier to remedy. Fulton has a reputation as a charter-friendly system and will, in fact, BE a charter system on July 1st. Nearly 10% of the students have been served in charter schools; check the numbers in Gwinnett and Cobb, to which you "predict" droves of North Fulton parents will defect. Our high schools in North Fulton routinely have some of the highest average scores in Georgia (and exceed the national averages) and offer high numbers of AP courses, joint enrollment options and internship opportunities. Do some objective research; you could start with the school report cards on the Ga DOE site. Then critically evaluate the data you see vs. what you've heard from your school. (For example, think about HOW your school could have provided services to the numbers of special ed students they claimed to serve at the salary reported on the audit.) Look at how close the area public schools come to FSAMS scores; some are even higher on certain tests. I believe most of your FSAMS graduates attended the area high schools rather than FSAHS; why would that be if our regular public schools are so sub-standard? Model for your students some research and critical thinking skills. Make pro-active plans based on what you find. Good luck!
Smartie
6:50 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To "Me" ---
Read before you write. Listen before you speak. There's a world of a difference between a "CHARTER SYSTEM" which is the route that Fulton is taking and having "CHARTER SCHOOLS" within that system. They're NOT the same. So, research and understand more about why there're people who fundamentally believes that there should be a place for charter schools regardless of whether its name is FSA or otherwise. What Fulton Board is displaying is its downgrading and thwarting of charter school concept as a whole. That's the impression they're leaving. The argument here is not simply about the survival of FSAs but just the whole notion of charter school's existence that get many people upset. FSA is just a symbolism of what to come - killing of charter school proposals in the future.
The only exceptions may be Riverwood and North Springs. Riverwood may survive while FSA schools may not since the Superintedent installed one of his buddies as a principal at Riverwood last year. Who knows about North Springs. Read the News Articles section of the Fulton School Board's site and look at various intallments he has made since his arrival last summer. Even highly-acclaimed Northview will start look different now that the Super has installed one of his friends there as well.
The direction that the new Super has taken and the manner that the Board has taken in dealing with any 'inadequacies' of FSAs speak volume more than their decisions.
Smartie
7:11 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To "Me" ----
Besides, those test scores you refer to are going by the wayside. Did you not know that??? Then, know this! NCLB's force de majeure of these brutal CRCT test practicing going on will be phased out as GA (as a state) has won the waiver. So, get your facts straight... those test scores will become not-so-important in the distant future. Thank goodness! Visit the schools if you think you know all that instead of speaking in theoretical terms. Ask the schools how often they gruesomely practice test these kids to death over the course of very short 180-day school year!!!!! Go visit on those practice days and see if your heart doesn't cry out for a change to all these CRCT testing madness. Why do you think so many even in these so-called top school districts fork out their own money to send kids to private schools that may not even be that great????? Because they know and heard or seen what happens with these kids and all the CRCT-based school curriculum and CRCT-based testing calendar and CRCT-based orientation that's the center of all the Fulton schools' universe --- especially those with top scores. Not everything is what it seems.
Smartie
7:18 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To "Me" --- of course, you're NOT smart! There's a HUGE difference between a proposed 'charter system' that the Fulton is marching towards and a 'charter school'. Try to learn, read, and be educated about this before showing your freakin IGNORANCE to the ROW!!!!!!!! Don't embrass how uneducated you are. Just because there's the W-O-R-D CHARTER doesn't mean a charter system and a charter school means the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They AIN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so, go back to your cave.
Of course, there're stellar schools... but, then there're stellar schools everywhere even in AZ where they're rock bottom as a state. We're talking about some schools that offer distinct programs and/or curriculum with more flexibility for meeting the needs of those students who may benefit from that. The whole charter SCHOOL [not charter system, get it?] is about creating Magnet Programs for students who really do excel in certain areas. There're many magnet schools of many varieties all over the US but not in Fulton except for Riverwood & North Springs that are magnet type varieties. 2 magnet schools in this entire system of 900,000+ student body ain't gonna suffice!!!! GET THAT??????? so, go back to your cave and read before you write. listen before you speak.
MarkMunoz
6:25 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Yes "FSA MS and FSA ES Father" or aka Hakan.
it is snicker and giggles because you and your group make complete arses out of yourslef with your dumb comments. If any of you gave your kids college money to Gulen and his band of merry thieves you are not thinking with a clear mind. You probably won't ever see some of these people again, they will migrate out very quickly.
So now your lies and lack of transparency that caused your school to close is Mary's fault? I thought it was Wells Fargo? No wait it is Avossa's fault? No it is the State BOE, then there is the County BOE, no forget that it is that darn NY Times for printing lies. Next it will be Bob Pepalis because he is Greek and everyone knows how much Greeks love you.
Get real, you are melting down. Everyone see the kind of unstable dribble that comes out of these wayward lighthouse boys? If I was getting paid for telling the truth about your group, I would be a millionaire by now.
I do this for free because as an American patriot it is my duty to notify Americans of the dangers of the Gulen Movement and how your brand of education is faulty and fake. You want to talk about dangers or gang activities at schools, why don't you talk about the 11 year old girl that was raped at your Dove Science Academy campus in Tulsa? Or the Pervert you hired in Waco, Texas that was arrested for diddling an underage student, or the kids in Texas that were forced to clean toilets at Harmony Science academy. so many .....
Smartie
6:59 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The direction and the manner by the Super and the Board have been downright deliberate let alone crude in the way they have publicized their decisions and the dictator-like stance throughout the phases of remediation period. Had the Super and the Board been more negotiable, showing the cooperative spirit, and professionalism of elected officials that they are (with the exception of the Super who was selected by the Board who was selected by the citizens) then the outcry of this debate may not have taken that much notice in the community.
I have no affiliation with the FSAs. I do believe, however, that the charter schools should have a chance to co-exist if and only if to provide a healthy 'Check & Balance' of the non-charter schools which exists purely based upon the student population geography rather than by parent/student choice of Supply & Demand.
A case in point: If the application for the charter schools' application continue to encroach each year yet school districts are losing student enrollment, this should be a good metrics to alert the school officials that even in good school districts there's an imbalance of Supply & Demand. It would benefit the school officials (Board, Super and other administrators) to be able to gauge all the schools with more objectivity than just mere CRCT test scores.
Having a choice between Kroger, Publix, and Ingles to buy a food is a good thing. Why can't there be the same for kids' education?
MarkMunoz
6:27 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Smartie;
Your problem is you think you are smart and you are not. Just more crazy talk from Hizmet, you are losing your schools because you are stupid.
Me
7:06 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@Smartie - Pot/kettle.- I didn't say they were the same; YOU need to read again what I wrote.. I don't need to research..."why there're people who fundamentally believes (sic) that there should be a place..." (ouch!) As a matter of fact, just yesterday I heard a charter staff member of Georgia DOE say that schools may opt to remain separate charters within a system charter, but those schools will be subject to independent fiscal audits. In this forum, they were specifically addressing concerns related to the findings of this Fulton audit, and noting that these would need to be addressed with the upcoming state charter referendum. So you, from your very informed position, think that Riverwood's charter will stay in place because someone with Avosssa connections is in place but they will revoke the charters for Ridgeview, Spalding Drive, Sandy Springs, Dunwoody Springs, etc., because they don't have Avossa connections. Wow, I'd like to know the source of your "wisdom!"
Smartie
7:42 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To "Me" ---
So, we all know now that YOU either WORK at Georgia DOE or have a lot of affiliations GA DOE which also happens to be one of the biggest backers of Georgia Teachers' Union, correct? And, we all know that the Fulton Board/Super is greatly supported by Georgia Teachers' Union. And, as everyone may know already the Georgia Teachers' Union hates the thought of any charter schools' uprising and getting glory. And, we all know that the Georgia Teachers' Union is supported by Georgia PTA which is funded by local chapters of County and each Schools' PTA organizations. OK. You've shown us your cards.
Me
7:08 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
"Smartie" PLEASE re-read before you post next time. It is much harder to read posts with multiple sentence construction and spelling errors...thanks!
Smartie
7:31 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To "Me" ---
People're more interested in the topic debate not grammar attacks but if you insist I'll show you how ignorant you are to start this...and perhaps help you understand your own mistakes. My grammar suggestions are in brackets so that you can learn from this posting as well as prior ones. :)
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@Smartie - Pot/kettle.- As a matter of fact, just yesterday ["I" should have followed immediately after "fact,"] I heard a charter staff member of Georgia DOE say that schools may opt to remain [ 'as'] separate charters within a system charter ['charter system'], [no comma here] but those schools ..... In this forum, they were specifically addressing concerns ... of this Fulton audit, [again, no comma here!] and noting that these ['these' what?] would need to be addressed with the upcoming state charter referendum [should be: 'upcoming state's referendum on charter schools']. So [comma!] you, [no comma here!] from your very informed position, [there should be a dash after "you" and then another dash after "position" but no comma!] think .... Avosssa [apostrophe, hello?] connections is ['will remain in place' as it is predicting future!] in place but [missing 'that'] they will revoke the charters for Ridgeview, Spalding Drive, Sandy Springs, Dunwoody Springs, etc., [no comma!] because they don't have Avossa [apostrophe!] connections."
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To "Me" .... "Know thyself before you judge others"
Me
7:46 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Smartie: I happen to have spent 16 years as a very involved parent in FCSS and several years as an employee. I do know if what I speak - and can even formulate it into coherent, factually accurate sentences without screaming personal insults in capital letters with too many exclamation points. I would recommend you try that as well.
Fact: We will be using CRCTs for testing until the common core assessments are available beginning in 2014-15. Testing will remain as a majority component of school assessments, but will be nationally rather than state normed.
Fact: There are no CRCT test practice days in FCSS. I think perhaps you should take your own advice and visit some schools to see which days those aren't scheduled.
Fact: There are more than two magnet programs in our county; Tri-Cities and Westlake both have magnet programs.
I didn't want that misinformation to lie uncorrected. However, since you obviously are having difficulty comprehending what I write, and are approaching verbal use, someone else will need to respond to you after this. (I mean, really: "IGNORANCE to the ROW!!!!!!!! Don't embrass (sic) how uneducated you are." Come on...take a chill pill and let someone edit your posts, PLEASE!)
Smartie
8:37 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To "Me" ---
Well, of course, you are an EMPLOYEE of the FCSS. I'm glad I've outed you as there was no doubt you support all the mayhem that's surrounding Fulton Board and behind-the-scene support by the Georgia Teachers Union --- which is fighting for their life to kill the charter school movement in Georgia. Think DC Public Schools' teachers unions!!!
FACT This - nobody ever claimed the nomenclature for the CRCT practice days. Who cares what it's labeled as? The FACT is that there're certain number of days (too many) where the students are taking tests in preparation for the CRCT. This is a known FACT across the board by any well-informed parent population who sends their kids to public, private, homeschooling or otherwise.
FACT This --- Riverwood and N. Springs are magnets... one is IB and the other Science/Performing Arts. You work in the FCSS under our tax revenue as a public servant??? And, you didn't even know this??? WOW yourself.
Me
7:48 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Oops, I mean to hit the o rather than i ..."do know of what I speak" ...put on my reading glasses just as I hit submit.
J.
9:19 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
It looks like FSA fans are going to have to believe the that the Superintendent/FCSBoardofEd AND the State BoardofEd AND Wells Fargo are all just anti-charter-school??? That's a stretch.
I just tried to give this thread a good, open-minded read. I really did.
FSA fans make good logical and passionate arguments, but in the end, they haven't done what they were supposed to prove they have played by the rules while using public money.
Your arguments are persuasive, but they cannot be validated.
Example:
I took the leap with you on the argument that we are free to shop at Ingalls, Kroger or Publix. You had me for a moment. That actually SEEMS to make sense. But then I processed that a bit. Umm... we are not free to shop at Ingalls, Kroger or Publix WITH PUBLIC FUNDING. The free-market analogy only works if you are talking about PRIVATE schools which can sustain themselves. Charter schools really should have very strict procedures that verify how every penny is spent. There MUST be complete accountability and transparency if PUBLIC money is used. Budgeting & bookkeeping should be transparent to the TAXPAYERS, just like traditional public schools. Very few people look at the budgets for local schools, but it can be done! Many principals hold open meetings to review school budgets with the public/community!
BTW- I am pretty sure everyone will be taken more seriously if we don't edit each other's grammer/spelling.
Smartie
12:31 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
To "J" ---
If Fulton Board had proper oversights of all the principals and all the schools in their respective districts, then how could a principal of a brand new BIG school with 1,000+ students allowed to embezzle $1+ million only within <4 or 5 years of school's ribbon cutting? Hmm, mm. And, why didn't local media produce constantly blast about this event as they did with the Clayton schools' test scandals? Hmm, mm. Well, this school principal thief was a WHITE, AMERICAN FEMALE. Clayton school officials were mostly AFRICAN AMERICAN while key FSA school officials are of MUSLIM FAITH and TURKISH HERITAGE. That is why!!!
Who could argue with transparency, accountability, open-book accounting and sharing with public? If so, please do share a link where those schedules are posted for each and every Fulton schools from ES to HS level on those school budget review meetings so we can all start attending. If Fulton Board kept a watchful eye on Alpharetta HS and their former principal several years ago the way you describe why was she able to STEAL and RUN AWAY with $1+ MILLION stolen money, huh? Maybe this principal just wore a hood & wig that day, walked into the bulsar's office at Fulton School Admin. building, opened the safe, stuffed all the money into a bag and then sped away. Yep, that's how it must have been done because Fulton Board has a 'careful' oversight of "PUBLIC MONEY" as you say. $1+ MILLION DOLLARS allowed to walk away. LOL. Get facts first.
Smartie
12:49 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
To "J" ---
Also, the school funds may be publicly-sourced revenue from tax generation but the source of it are from private individuals as well as public & private business entities. It's not 100% public as if there was such a thing. All of its origination comes from tax revenue collected from taxpayers and tax-paying entities. So, at the end of the day, I am funding the schools as do any other taxpayers in the county. Therefore, each taxpayer should have a choice in school selection as this is the trend for many enlightened communities and states across the country.
For those who look beyond the pond [pond = meaning outside of Fulton or GA], they get it. It just appears those who're either payrolled or bank-rolled by certain local PUBLIC entities that feel threatened by the charter school existence seem to be sweating over just a few stellar role model schools seeking to survive... especially because these role models are outside of the FCSB's absolute jurisdiction and/or outside of Georgia Teacher's Union's agenda. It shouldn't be that way since good role model schools can serve as COE for others to emulate and make it easier for every school to improve.
So, why so much anger, stress and downright hatred for these relatively small schools trying to prove that charter schools can be successful for the students? Are they that threatening? You don't think the same Fulton School Board Audit team can dig dirt around your fiscal habits if they wanted to?
MarkMunoz
12:22 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
J very well articulated.
They need to move on and quit dreaming. The school is DONE and they cannot seem to get it through their head.
FSA move on as a private school. Or file a lawsuit against everyone you feel is to blame for YOUR mess. Otherwise it is pointless you are DONE AS A CHARTER SCHOOL OR HANDLING PUBLIC FUNDS.
tom deeb
1:56 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
To Bob,
I did finally get a copy of the Examination of FSA prepared by Brock and Clay ....
It is interesting that the sound bites that were published here and other places are not supported by the document.
For example: There were no findings of inappropriate vendor relations. The report does not say there were any inappropriate vendor relationships. In fact it is interesting for examples they used three things --- wow a tee-shirt company, a software support company, and an association of charter schools called Grace.
In total they represent about 3% of a million dollar budget. Wow they spent 15 K on tee shirts and got a good deal 12 bucks a shirt with embroidery -- and they made it much easier for us to buy these which was really the point as the local service providers frankly sucked. Wow they spent over 2 year 26 K for software support from a company that had extensive knowledge of what they needed. They purchased services from an educational association of schools called Grace and did this a a very low cost.
So because the attorney choose to highlight only 3% of the total expenditures it begs the question so what about the other 97% -- guess what nothing there folks. The best they could do is three little purchases. Yikes. And the tax payers paid how much for this?
MarkMunoz
12:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
To Tom;
and to the FSA fan club posting protests and bellyaching.
If you feel you have been mistreated or it was unfair, biased or whatever else comes out of your puppet mouth, why don't you get together with your attorneys and file charges against the Fulton County BOE and the State of Georgia BOE?
Please WE beg you to sue, what would your side be prepared to give up in discovery? You have to prove that the audit, charges and loan DEFAULT, are all incorrect. Are you prepared to do this in a court of law wit American people as your judge and jury? Heck don't stop there, why don't you file a lawsuit against Bank of America for loaning you the money that you are in default on ---it must be their fault too.
Grace Institute, is one of the many Gulen front groups that create a web around each of their schools in the USA. You are nothing special, Grace is nothing special and FSA is definetely nothing special. Here are a few names of the other Gulen front groups, you all can research (contrast and compare) you will see the identical methods: Cosmos Foundation dba Harmony Science Academy, Turquoise Council, Raindrop Turkish House, Pelican Education System, Iris Foundation, Holy Dove Foundation, Willow Foundation, Magnolia Education Foundation, Niagara Foundation, Rumi Forum of Cleveland and the granddaddy of them all Rumi Forum Washington DC and more. Just pull up their 990 tax returns and some like Pelican Education System had over $1.3 million in Travel Expenses.
tom deeb
2:02 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
To Bob:
On the issue of poor record keeping:
A quotation from page 9 of the document "QB records and physical accounting records seemed to be well-maintained and organized" please note QB stand for quickbook.
In addition on the same page they did note: "Each time Mr. Yilmaz was requested to locate a specific check and related invoice, he was able to retrieve it. We did note that the method by which the school maintained its invoices did make it
more time-consuming to locate specifically selected invoices";
While they did provide suggestions to make things easier they never stated that I could find that the records or book keeping was poor.
tom deeb
2:08 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
"Lack of Appropriate safety procedures"
Again a great sound bite but is not supported by the report. Actually there was a a specific recommendation that both Fulton County Schools and FSMSA "might want to consider the security issues this might raise" as it dealt with background checks. It is interesting I have chaperoned numerous trips for Fulton county and not once has a background check ever been done.
But it is more interesting to note that the people who were chaperones all had background checks --- they are teachers -- and the other adults were staying with the kids -- but instead had a separate agenda.
tom deeb
2:10 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Federal Immigration issues --- again great sound bite --- no facts in the report to support this -- period end of story --- because the way the report was written it was intended that the reader may jump to such a conclusion -- but there were not facts or statements to this effect. Wonder why the sound bite?
tom deeb
2:33 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Bob -- did you know for 9 out of the last 10 years Fulton County Schools held the responsibility and did the background checks on all teachers, staff, board members at FSA as with all schools in the system.
The report suggests through the use of words that a dangerous criminal was some how in a position of authority -- "we encountered a relevant finding of a criminal nature involving an individual in a position of authority. It also states that some how they learned of this but the school may not have been able to "Nor are we aware of whether the criminal record was sealed on the Georgia Crime Information Center (“GCIC”) database as a first time offender and thus, may not have appeared on a GCIC criminal background check."
Ok so since Fulton County Schools did the background checks for the last 9 years. What happened --- Fulton County either knew the results or they did not -- If they knew the results --- must have been an old issue that was resolved. Or this was a new employees --- and therefore there was breakdown in the system or this was given to the auditors as lets see what you find ---
Wonder which one it was??? Wonder why the sound bite??? Makes a great sound bite but it is mud raking by a $1.1 billion government agency with our tax dollars.
MarkMunoz
12:29 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Great Tom...you are now saying "sound bites" why don't you take your complaints and file a formal lawsuit against all the parties?
If you really believe in your defenses stop ranting on here about "unfairness" whatevers and put your words into actions.
Seriously, file a lawsuit and see what an American Judge and jury would say. Leave it up to public opinion what has happened here and see what the end result is.
Or..you could use your time, energy and money to re vamp the school into a private one. I would suggest that you change the name of Fulton Science Academy. You have too many mud holes associated with your name.
MarkMunoz
12:40 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Wrong, according to the North Fulton Article FSA problems go back to 2003:
"The inaugural school year was only halfway through in 2003 when Fulton County School System officials were drawn into what was described as "serious problems" on the governing board of the FSA. According to a news article published in March 2003 in Appen Newspapers, "a serious rift has developed on the [FSA] board of directors over who is in control, essentially splitting the seven-member board into two factions with each side accusing the other of illegal activities."
Parent members of the school's governing board sought to remove the principal, Selim Ozdemir, but maintained they were stymied by the founding trustees who essentially took over as the majority on the governing board.
The founding board originated the charter for the school and was responsible only for running the nonprofit aspects of the school.
Parent members of the governing board said the trustees were supposed to cease activities related to the management of the school once the governing board was in place. Instead, the trustees appointed themselves into control of the governing board."
MarkMunoz
4:37 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
To Tom and Terry, since you are trying to explain the deficiencies in your bookkeeping after the fact. Would you like your charter school reinstated so you can mess up the bookkeeping again only to chase aimlessly after each claim with nothing but lip service? Does that sound goofy?
Well so do your lame excuses, they are low brow.
Whats the matter Tommy boy, are you standing to lose out on one of the Gulen deals in Azerbaijan...gotta jump higher and harder for that Gulen dog biscuit. down boy.
tom deeb
5:00 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Mark,
The quotation provided on the accounting was directly from the report provided by Brock ---- so it is not a justification instead it is quotation from the report.
As I said before and will say again I have no affiliation with any movement end of story. You really should come to Azerbaijan or Turkey. Great people nice place to visit. And there is no Gulen movement in Azerbaijan.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:25 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary
Nasty replies to even keeled posting. Not all seems well in Mark-Maryville
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
4:42 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
All of these and still no accountability from FSA,
how perfectly sad they are.
Had Tom, "Terry" been accountable and possible state what they would have done differently or modified. What their key learnings were and worked together with the Board of Education instead of independant and assuming they didn't have to answer to anyone. It would have been professional, but your comments are littered with attacking and pushing the blame elsewhere.
Take responsibility for your problems, they after all were created by you not the County BOE. But you and your dishonesty.
I really hope this isn't any character trait you have taught our children to not assume responsibility for your actions and behaviors. Wow, prisons are full of people with those attitudes.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:27 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary, now you wish prison on our children. Rather harsh I think
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
6:36 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
FSA MS and FSA ES Father;
Well we all know you are not a father.
So now I know that truth and justice has won, because you just resorted to desperate personal attacks. We won We won, America wins again!
Hizmet loses....and is losers. (sore losers)
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
To you Fulton parents, eating the baklava was good for awhile but now it's time to face the fact that these schools were not about education.
Read FSA MS and FSA ES Father--his posts are sick as he is. They don't like women, they don't care about lying for Fetos and they LOVE the American money they were getting.
Now that they have lost, they throw a temper tantrum and start casting blame to everyone else is wild dramatic and crazy posts. Is this really a group you want near your children?
No wait...
You have already spoken, you don't want them that is why the school is now CLOSED.
Say good night to FSA MS and FSA ES Father it is over in Georgia.
Lets place bets if the private school will make it. If they keep up this type of behavior, there is no way they will be accepted and Wells Fargo still has to decide it they will allow them to operate with a defaulted loan.
Watch shortly how they will be leaving for vacations out of the country on 1 way tickets and not comming back to Georgia. With suitcases full of your money. The school will be left with a few students with no one there to open the doors.
tom deeb
5:12 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Wow I have gone from being a traitor to now a candidate for prison --- Interesting.
I do not use another name and you know this. I am not Terry and have no reason to hide my name. Never have never will.
Some say I should as I have become a target. But I believe that leaders need to lead from the front. So not hiding my name never will.
Working with another party requires both parties to attend the table. In this case unfortunately one party stayed home (BOE and Fulton County Schools). Hard to work with when they will not even return phone calls or attend meetings.
Cheers
Terry
8:51 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I think it's interesting that in his comment he mentions "comments littered with attacking" and yet in the next paragraph calls our attitude criminal. Talk about a pot calling a kettle black. It is useless to reason with an unreasonable person, so I'm done trying to reason with him. I am looking forward to the statement the Governing Board will make regarding the audit "findings". To those reading the article that are willing to listen to both sides rationally, the other side of things should be forthcoming.
tom deeb
9:27 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Terry,
I like you am frustrated at times but please continue to write as you have very excellent points that people need to read.
Cheers
Terry
6:19 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Thanks Mr. Deeb.
A few things I learned today:
1.) Avossa lied to the public on TV - he claimed that the reason for the audit was because we were converting to a private school. The audit began in February, so does he have the ability to see the future and know the school's announcement to turn private in late May? Maybe the INVENTORY was for that purpose, but NOT the "audit"...
2.) The "audit" even states that the accountants/auditors were not following GAAS and were not examining whether we followed GAAP (for those that don't know, GAAS refers to auditing procedures and GAAP to accounting procedures that are generally accepted rules auditors/accountants should go by and in some cases NEED to go by). Is this really a true audit if they weren't following them? I will be asking an accountant that very question soon, but my guess is even if it is, it would be suspect because it did not follow the generally acceptable practices of auditors.
3.) The conflict of interest issue apparently wasn't an issue to the FCSS lawyers. After the procedures changed (I believe that originally charter schools were exempt from the bidding out of contracts process), we asked FCSS about the contracts to GRACE and they/their lawyers said there was not a problem. We did look at other vendors and ultimately went with GRACE because they could best meet the needs of the school. So if we followed their procedure, and they said it was ok then, why is there a sudden change of opinion?
MarkMunoz
6:39 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Tom;
You both should be very frusted because you were lied to.
Hopefully, you will be able to turn this around but honestly it isn't looking so good.
Look at the actions and crazy posts of your buddies? They are bat shit crazy guys who have been brainwashed. I was curious if Kenan Sener ever confessed to you that he was a follower of Gulen and admires all of his books, attended a Gulen school himself and cares only about Gulen and not about your family.
Just wondering. Maybe he will have a moment of truth before he skips town. Make sure when he lives for vacation it is a round trip ticket.
Don't get left holding the bag for these jokers.
MarkMunoz
6:00 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
Terry and Tom;
We got your Statement regarding the audit conclusions. All I can say is "so what" you don't agree with it. Maybe you should take your paid consultation group that is known for restructuring bankrupt and defaulted businesses and file a lawsuit. You will just put more good money after bad and get further into debt. Meanwhile Wells Fargo is demanding the defaulted money.
If you truly have only spent $6 million of this money and the rest is in an escrow account. Why not give Wells Fargo the $12 million remaining, and set up a payment plan for the $6 million you have spent.
That is if you STILL have the $12 million. Tom have you personally seen the total left in the escrow account? Who or who(m) is in charge of this money?
Show us the Money Tom!!!
Smartie
9:30 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
How is this possible, folks??? Not only did the former Alpharetta HS principal embezzle $1+ MILLION there was yet another principal under Fulton School Board's watch that stole money as recent as 2011? Check this out - by the poster on 9/27/11:
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http://www.greatschools.org/georgia/sandy-springs/993-Riverwood-International-Charter-School/
[The principal of Riverwood just resigned due to "auditing irregularities" meaning he was taking money from the student activity funds (raised by sale of tickets to athletic/artistic events) and using it personally. Stay away!
--Submitted by a parent]
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How many more principals do they need to catch before the Board realizes that they weren't doing a very good job of these major catastrophic events? Maybe they need the budget funds going out to FSA schools so that they can recoup the losses by all these embezzlements happening under their nose. It needs to come from somewhere.
What's even more fascinating is the posting by the teacher about this school which is one charter school that the Fulton Board wants to keep --- the school seems to have a lot of troubles and issues. Yet, our tax money is supposed to continue pour into that kind of school [with reputation of drug infestation]?
Smartie
9:40 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
TO: ALL FULTON COUNTY VOTERS out there reading these posts....
Elections for your respective School Boards are coming up. Some are this year. Some are in following years. Please get involved and learn about your elected officials as they do greatly impact the future of our communities. Our housing value and quality of living rely upon solid schools. East Cobb, as an example, did not continue to gain strength in their housing value even during downturn without the tremendous successes of its neighboring schools. Those schools are still outpacing many in the state and doing very well.
It's also very important to frequent or at least make 1 attempt to attend School Board Meetings that are posted on the Fulton School's website. It will educate on the process and the people behind all this making decisions.
This as well as other forums should be an opportunity for those who are not engaged to get engaged actively. The strength of the stellar school systems in the northeast and in particular NJ school systems comes from the PARENTS. The parent communities there are incredibly active, stay engaged, and extremely well-informed with balanced understanding. When the parents only hear one side, they cannot make an informed decision as it's not balanced.
So, the Parents in Fulton should get active with the local school board meetings and stay in touch with the local legislators to make their voices heard. That's where your power comes in.
Smartie
1:48 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Very inteeeerestiiiiiiiiiing and very strange.
FULTON SCHOOL BOARD's **NEW** ORG CHART (scroll to all the pages to see the whole picture of how academics is devalued simply by this reporting structure of his new org.):
http://portal.fultonschools.org/org_structure/Documents/Org_Structure.pdf
What kind of Super is this guy? the Exec. Director of Communications is ABOVE the Area Superintendents (Academics)? while the Principals are @ SAME LEVEL as the "Broadcast and Video Coordinator" but LOWER than the Exec Director of Facilities or Exec Director of Transporation, etc. So, Avossa feels that the Communications head is more important the Area Supers who are in charge of the Academic programs? Is Avossa running a broadcast multi-media biz or is he running one of the largest state school district? Or, is he in the movie studio and facility management biz whereby the Area Supers are merely brokers, principals are just paid directors, teachers are actors, and students are just unpaid extras on the set?
Totally weird org structure for a school board - big or small. Doesn't make any sense. And, why isn't anyone complaining about where their precious "P-U-B-L-I-C" tax dollar$$ are going to? It's certainly not focused on our students, that's for sure!!! If it did, then the people who have Academic roles like Area Supers and Principals would be on the top of the totem pole not underneath 'other administrative positions' that only heighten you-know-who's image.
Bob Pepalis
8:31 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Reading the chart, it shows the communications director reports to the superintendent, not that the position supervises those chiefs and deputy superintendents. And the following pages of the organization chart support this.
Smartie
1:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
To: "Bob Pepalis" ---
nobody said the Area Supers reported to the Head of Communications but that they are not even peers!!! Per Org Chart, a Video Coordinator and Head of Facilities, Transportation, etc. are all peers to the Area Supers... does this make sense??? Area Supers are very large roles or at least they should be if you're in the biz of serving E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N not some kind of political campaign organization or a property management biz. All these people including all the Direct Reports under Communications Head are above the Principals in terms of ranking in the org chart. This is ABSURD, IMO.
Lisa
9:27 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
It's the jihad, through our gov't schools, on our taxpayer dollars. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-muslim-cleric-running-secret-radical-islam-group-from-home-in-pa/
Terry
8:17 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Lisa, you're just another example of the xenophobic conspiracy theorists I've referred to before - spreading your hatred for people of other cultures and religions. Your intolerance for others goes directly against everything this country stands for. You sound like someone from the "Red Scare" of the 50's (actually it also happened in the late '10s and early '20s too) or the Salem Witch Trials. So every Muslim is a terrorist? Every Muslim is plotting against the US? They're all just trying to convert us to Islam? Please, I've known these Muslims for 10 years and they've demonstrated to me that they are caring individuals that are tolerant of others beliefs (and have gone out of their way to not offend anyone with their beliefs) and love this country. Spread your hatred elsewhere...
MarkMunoz
12:43 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Terry;
This is the frequent excuses that Hizmet puts out, they are straw man argumentations. The biggest issue with the Gulenists operated charter schools in the USA is ironically their mistreatment of American teachers. There is a long list of EEOC discrimination lawsuits and the Americans are winning.
Additionally, the curriculum has been very Turkocentric. Until about 6 months ago some of your ridiculous schools were advertising "Let your child be taught by Turkish Scholars" (they are NOT scholars, most are graduates of Gulen's own schools in Turkey) and they even pushed Turkish Character classes (based on Gulen's pearls of wisdom) I guess the Gulenists don't believe American's possess character, honesty, truthfulness and transparency.
Most of the schools have Turkish Club, Turkish Festivals, Turkish Olympiads (there are about 9 throughout the USA) and the finalists are given a free trip to Turkey to compete for the International Turkish Olympiad which is coincidentally going on right now. It includes about 1,000 children from over 100 countries that attend Gulenist operated schools.
Now look in the mirror and tell us who is xenophobic? just more lame excuses, if you fell that way. Bring on the lawsuits and see how far you get. Remember this isn't Turkey and you don't own the Judicary System here or the media.
Thank God, because Bob, Stephanie Saul and the reporters from USA Today, NY Times, CNN, Fox News, etc., would have long beein in Jail.
MarkMunoz
12:53 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
To all the commenters on here;
Why I am done posting on here.
It seems that we have given them enough rope to hang themselves. All the comments from the FSA fan club are about how unfair this whole process was. Even using the children as a shield, frequently I hear the Gulenists operated schools when faced with having to be honest or transparent or getting caught with financial mismanagement use the SAME quotes "It's for the children" "you are Xenophobic, or Islamophobic"
Remember this is not islam, it is a CULT, which hides behind a sufism type of mystical teachings of Rumi, Nursi (who both were persian) with mostly teachings of Gulen and what the world should be according to GULEN. Now, lets look at Gulen:
He is a 5th grade educated Imam full name is Fethullah Mohammed Gulen, who established madrassahs in Turkey. In 1999 he fled Turkey after his anti-secular speeches about "getting into the arteries of the system" (education, politics, media, commerce) which they have done very well at in Turkey.
He fled to America under the guise of medical treatment, applied for a green card under "special teaching abilities" education. He was DENIED his green card because he possessed no special qualities for Americans. In 2007 Gulen appealed the denial and recieved his green card Gulen vs. Homeland Securit (Chertoff) in the appeal was letters from ex - members of the CIA and the ex-Ambassador to Turkey.
They are liars and this online debate is pointless.
Smartie
1:18 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
You know what? Who gives a * & % # whether they're Gulens or Zuuuuulens. At this point, there's an education pothole at stake for some of the brightest Fulton students not your Gulengoobleeikahns. The entire school could be teaching Alienese by the Aliens themselves but the fact remains that they were able to accomplish some miracles in such a short time that it cannot go unnoticed whether that was due to:
a) structural flexibility of a Charter School foundation;
b) astounding leadership of each schools under FSA umbrella;
c) selfless devotion of the faculty;
d) special programs like their After-school Activities & pupil checkpoints;
e) or, whatever flexibility that they were given that none of the Fulton schools are allowed to have.
These factors are most important in helping steward a GOOD role model to survive. Who's to say that Spanish, French or German should be the only languages to be taught in America? Who made those rules up? Maybe 100 years ago when trading between US and Europe were greater. But now, this country is and will continue to trade with many different countries. Heck, learning Turkish might not be too bad as it's one of the TOP Emerging Markets for the 21st century! It's going to be commercially viable language in the future.
Why the complaints by outsiders of the schools when the PARENTS seem to be so happy? The Parents (vis-a-vis their students) should have the LOUDEST voice not the rest of us who have 0 affiliations.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:28 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mary / Mary
Sounds like your funding for this project ran out. Off somewhere else to spread your vitriol?
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
miltonDude
3:26 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I've never been inside FSAMS but I have a child at Fulton Sunshine Academy. I've read the report most of the comments that I can find and the one thing that i really can't understand the Grace Institute relationship. What services are they actually providing? The report says custom software and proffesional services. What custom software? What does this software do, is this payment for a license fee?
MarkMunoz
6:43 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
The only funding that ran out is that which was going to FSA,
No more funding to you and no more school. It didn't run out it was cut off!
So are you paying back the money to Wells Fargo? Don't think you can slide by with free trips to Turkey for their CEOs, they want cash. Not your lies and temper tantrums.
Oh they are all conspiring against you. You sad little boy.
I will wait till later to hear you bang your head and cry because you have disappointed hocaefendi.
tom deeb
3:46 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Great question as there seems to be a great deal of confusion as to what Grace is and what services are provided. The Grace Institute is a non-profit association of charter schools that provides services and software to the association schools.
If you have had a chance to use FSA Connect you will see one of the key products that Grace has developed for the association members. It was a tool custom developed to meet the needs of the schools to provide communication between the parents, students, and teachers. It is one of the best tools out there. You can log on and see how your child is doing. You can see a calendar of all upcoming homework, tests, and projects. It is updated daily by the teachers and you can see real time how your child is doing and you can see if there are problems so you can help. It helps you work with your kids to do planning for assignments. You get to see where they need help and where they are doing well. It is a great application that allows parents, teachers and kids communicate and learn.
If your child is sick you can log on and see the assignments they are missing. Since the teacher notes/presentations, homework and text books are online you can quickly and easily download what is needed.
In addition the association has teacher development programs to help teachers improve. Each association member pays for the services they use. Yes there is a seat license for each student for the software.
Hope this helps
miltonDude
1:20 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I appreciate the response Tom. I am quite familiar with FSA Connect but didn't know that it was the software being provided by Grace. Still a lot about this I don't understand and I work in the Software Industry. If you access the website, it says that it is powered by imoodle, which is an open source LMS (Learning Management System), here is the website: http://imoodle.ning.com/
imoodle seems to be providing the core of the functionality and its open sourced so there should be no license required. There may be some customizations on top of the core imoodle functionality, and hosting and administration required but I am not sure why there would need to be license paid each year, or continued customization.
miltonDude
3:56 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Smartie - as a parent of a student at the elementary school I would say that a lot of parents are frustrated with the board and school administrators. There are things that they do well but in others areas they are borderline incompetent. There is a high attrition rate in the first few weeks of school because a lot of parents just can't handle the chaos.
It 'works' because of the good teachers and the unique type of students it attracts. It is not a highly structured environment and its not something that would be successful IMO with a more representative student profile.
Polititions and others shouldn't be using these schools test scores as a tool to beat up the community schools.
Smartie
11:33 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To "miltonDude" ---
Who's beating up who? The one who's getting beat is the FSA students by the Super and the Board. For those people who think FSA should be left alone is not comparing but only to say that there should be a CHOICE. As such, if you don't like Sunshine Academy (which is what you're inferring without direct mentioning above), then you have a CHOICE to withdraw and go back to your local school. Nobody forced you to attend Sunshine. On the flip side of this, however, is that there is only 1 Sunshine Academy in the whole county. Then, someone will say, how about other charter schools like Sarah Smith and others? Well, they don't feed into FSA. So, the closure of FSA has a domino's effect on the feeder school (Sunshine) and the high school which the FSA feeds into as it's smack in the middle of it. Now, having said all this, do you think that the Super and the Board didn't realize this Domino's effect already? Your school (if Sunshine is your school) will be affected as well. There'll be less applying to it (no middle school!) and the best teachers will start looking for positions elsewhere.
Smartie
11:41 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
... and, speaking of CHOICE.... if there aren't more schools like FSA/Sunshine/ etc. sprouting up under the proposed Charter System, then other people won't have any CHOICE like you have now. Even you won't have a choice since your kid is going to be in middle school sooner than later because FSA may not be around.
Superintendent Avossa already declared publicly in a community meeting that they have no intention to create more magnet (theme) schools in the horizon and that they are committing their energy to the charter system conversion as this is going to be a major initiative that will soak up a lot of funds for the next 5 years per their roadmap.
Even TAG program is vulnerable as each school board [under the proposed charter system] will determine how much funding or effort that school will expend. This news is probably an eye opener for many.
tom deeb
4:41 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I agree that FSA is not the silver bullet for Fulton County Schools --- but there are many things that could have been learned, shared and built upon. For example about 3 years ago during the Fuzzy Math or Conceptual Learning Math debacle I looked into why FSA scores were different (higher) than the surrounding schools. A couple of things came out: FSA spent significant resources to train and develop the Math teachers on how to best teach the curricula. FSA provided before and after school tutoring for students 4 days a week. FSA gave teachers flexibility in the pace of the learning so that they could adapt to level of the class and push the class forward when needed and slow down and repeat areas as needed. They supplemented the Math program with traditional teaching tools and methods.
At the same time Fulton County provided significantly less training to the teachers on the new curricula and tools. While teachers want to and in many cases do provide tutoring it was never an expectation that this be done and it was never formalized as a part of the overall learning process. Teachers were not given flexibility on the pace of learning, it was very regimented. Finally teachers were not allowed in many cases to supplement with traditional math teaching methods in some schools the administration forbid this.
I think that there would have been much to share both ways that could have been beneficial to all. At the time Fulton County was not interested.
MarkMunoz
2:31 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Good Tom
Now you are beginning to turn it around.
Except the Math is questionable as the Gulen teachers have been known to teach to the test not the conceptual basics of math.
The best test would be to take your top math students at FSA and put them into a 3rd party testing with other students from Georgia schools.
I am sorry to inform you but ex-teachers of these schools have seen the Gulenist teachers: gather tests and change answers and teach to the test.
Ask the students other questions that are not pre loaded and see how they fair. My background is education, I am just trying to help you parents with keeping a private school.
You are on the path to shared learning, but note that the teachers at Fulton Science are not that great. The Gulenist trained teachers (many have never taught before and have no accrediation) are taught to cheat, and cut corners.
The few kids that have graduated from their high schools in the USA struggle in college and in some cases flunk out 2-3 times or are sent to an American gulenist operated college like North American College in my home state of Texas where they are 100% accepted.
For the record Fulton County should be listening to your input and you should also be listening to their input. Dialog is a two - way street.
Keep up the work on your private school in a positive way, don't make the community your enemy by attacking the school distirct, concerned tax payers and American education system.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:32 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
You said you were leaving the blog because they are "liars online debate is pointless....but you're back. More funding turn up from Turkey?
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
PhatNate
7:23 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
The reasons for not granting the charter are: vendors, bonds, safety, security, immigration and cooperation? Those things have nothing to do with educating students in a local classroom at a high level. Tax dollars have been wasted on worse causes. Maybe they just aren't that good at book keeping. The parents of students who are taught at FSA are thrilled with the education their kids are getting. I just think the process favors the current inefficient public school system, which most people agree is broken.
Terry
9:57 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Actually, the audit even said the bookkeeping was very well organized and that the accountant could easily pull up any information they requested...
MarkMunoz
6:49 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Dear FSA MS and FSA ES Father;
No I am back because I just wanted to see you have a melt down and temper tantrum. I also cannot stand to see liars debate with lies and stupidity.
So why would I be funded by Turkey? Who would possible want to fund me in Turkey to expose your lies. You do a great job of exposing your own stupidity and true motives.
Keep it up, Keep it up...you are scoring losses of 93 to date.
Circling the toilet like that last Tur* that needs to be flushed.
Everyone loves your crazy conspiracy posts, they are going to keep their kids away for sure and lock up all the sharp objects.
Still need some help with that private school plans?
MarkMunoz
7:38 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
http://www.fethullahgulen.org/press-room/news/4191-todays-zaman-us-charter-school-dismisses-audits-claims-of-financial-wrongdoing.html
F. Gulen's own web site talks about the now closed Fulton Science Academy. See the connection. to PhatNate, I know I said I was not going to comment but I had to put your Hocaefendi's dribble about your school up. Still no connection?
Your reasoning above is "Barf" still very sad. Those reasons you listed are some of the reasons but if you feel defaulting on a loan to Bank of America to the tune of $18 millions is acceptable you really are twisted in your logic.
You just listed the reasons you should be closed very nicely, and your school performs no better than other schools. The traditional public schools have not gotten the knack of propaganda, media savvy, public relations, awards, free trips and all the hoopla you used to blindsight Americans.
Guess what?
IT DIDN'T WORK!!!!
now get busy with your private school before it's too late.
Terry
9:55 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
ROFLMAO - really? That's the logic you use to show there's a connection between the school and Gulen? That's just as illogical as the so-called "audit" logic that becuase the principal wrote an article for a certain magazine that it proves a connection is there. By your insane logic I guess that means the school has a connection to the Alpharetta Patch or any other Patch that has ever written an article about the school. Heck, that must mean we even have a relationship with the very liberal AJC and the NEW YORK TIMES! There's one thing and only one thing that will ever prove a connection between Gulen and this school, and it's something that neither you, nor the so-called "audit", nor ANY of the 10 audits FCSS has done each year since the school has been open, and not even the Fitch audit (which is comparable to a colonoscopy) has shown - financial connections. There isn't one and nor will there ever be, so give it up.
The default on the loan was because the charter was denied - it has nothing to do with money not being paid or going missing - it's all accounted for. The vast majority of it (2/3 or so) hasn't even been used because construction stopped. The rest is the land itself, which if investors buy for it's actual worth, would more than cover what we paid for it (yes, that's right, our management saved money unlike FCSS which paid $236 million for a high school to look like the biggest plantation I've ever seen).
Terry
9:55 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
This should be after the other response comment...
See the so-called audit for what it was, a way for FCSS to cover it's tail for all the heat they've gotten for eliminating parent choice in education. Due to all the inaccuracies in it, why do you think it is that FCSS gave it directly to the media instead of letting us look at it like they said they would? It's because they knew that if it was scrutinized first, everything could be explained and they'd not have their justification.
I think it's extremely sad that you promote your hate and intolerance for other cultures and beliefs, frankly, I'm ashamed there are Americans like you that haven't somehow learned from America's past mistakes. Of course, I'm making a big assumption that you even are American here - your frequent use of terms I've never even heard of before makes me wonder. NOT all Turkish people are terrorists with plots and conspiracies, and NOT all Muslims should be tied with 9/11 - it's ignorant and unexcusable.
Terry
10:05 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Third comment after the other two:
The school DOES perform better and with less money going towards the students than the traditional schools do. We have to spend money on a facility and they do not. Test scores DO show we have outperformed them - just look at THEIR website. 8th graders taking the ITBS have been 1st in the County in ALL 5 subjects for FOUR YEARS IN A ROW. On CRCTs if we're not at the top, we're right there. EVERY LAST ONE of our 7th graders passed EVERY subject on the CRCT this year - no other school can claim that I think. 8th graders were also at either 100% or 99% passing too. Propoganda, media savvy, public relations, awards given out, and free trips (which BTW didn't happen on our field trips to Turkey, like I said before the school isn't going to keep records of people paying for their own trips on Expedia, that's just common sense) - none of these things have ANYTHING to do with the performance of our students - it's the great teachers we employed who did an outstanding job. Quit trying to make excuses for why the other schools didn't perform like ours did - it's just a smoke-screen.
Smartie
11:48 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To "MarkMunoz" --- you might want to 'hush' a little bit about pushing people towards privatization of their unsupported schools. wanna know why? 'cause the funding for the pubic schools will dry out... yeah, did you know that? local schools can't exist when there's a decreased enrollment by 'x' amount because the state and the county have a minimum enrollment requirement as any institutions would... even a museum that has 0 visitors wouldn't be around, would it??? so, hush or speak in a low volume before you push everyone towards the private route. maybe you knew this already but just forgot because you act like you know every facets about this issue. but, you know what??? not only that... you're so freakin' concerned about taxpayers' money not being channeled correctly? think this... there're loopholes in the law whereby a student can get funding to attend a private school with 'public' taxpayer money by stating that a public school (public charter like FSA or local school) didn't provide adequate education. do you know what this does to our school tax base? it completely takes the money out of local school board (ie. Fulton School System) and puts it into the hands of the 'x' private school. do you like that better? is that what you like to see? OK. if that's better for you, then your so-called Gulen movement will get even stronger because all that local school money will go right into the 'x' private schools. you really like that??? Yummy for you?
MarkMunoz
2:22 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Yes Terry and Hizmet- Really?
Why would F. Gulen put Fulton Science Academy on his blog, the story about FSA challenging the audit? Then they put a photo of their other Gulenist managed school with the article : Harmony Science Academy.
No one that matters believes you. Even Hocaefendi speaks about Fulton Science Academy and the "Fruits of his work"
Leave this stuff behind and move forward on the private school, you cannot salvage the charter /public school designation that you lost. You will make it worse by exposing yourselves to more questions.
Move on with the private school.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:35 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary, please pach up and go home. Your only connection to this is the Gulen angel. You do not care about the kids, you do not udenrstand the schools perfromance. You are a hired Yellow Journalist fromi the anti-Gulen movement. Or other have suggested you are the spurned woman who was married to a Turk.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
LD
10:47 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
@Smartie: 1.Riverwood and North Springs are both a charter school AND a magnet school (the two are not mutually exclusive). 2. Georgia teachers do NOT have a union; there is no collective bargaining. 3. FSA also had its students practice for the CRCT.
@PhatNate: I respectfully disagree that our (at least local) public school system is "inefficient." My children are learning more, earlier than I ever did. And as they continue into higher grades, they will not only have higher levels of classes by the time they graduate high school, but also will have a larger selection of courses. My local high school offers more AP classes than the $18k/year private school around the corner! How many AP or college level classes did you have available? How much many college credits did you earn in high school?
My children are not in any of the FSA schools; however we were considering it at one time. I have kept informed on this news story since last fall, when the middle school's charter came up for renewal. Personally, I feel for the families that enrolled at FSA because it was a better fit for their child. I do believe that the FSAMS governing board lost sight of (what should have been) its main objective: to keep the school open to provide this opportunity to the community - a three year charter is 3 years longer than they have now. Unfortunately, the FSAMS governing board played chicken, but the over 500 students are the ones that lost.
Smartie
11:25 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To "LD":
In reference to your "my local high school... with more AP classes"... do you think the students residing in all the Fulton school districts have a local school with as many AP classes as yours? The answer is a loud "NO". This is why some parents send their kids to private schools even if it's not that good because the alternative is worse. This is why the existence and modeling after a successful charter school is important not only for the sheer tradition of it but also for symbolic reason that the Fulton School System at large is a progressive one not an institution looking out for their own agenda. So, as voters, constituents, stewards, and parents in general, we --- the adults --- need to think about and look out for not just our own children but also the needs of the others' children in our communities. This will translate into voting the RIGHT KIND of PEOPLE @ the BOARD level. While it's only a part-time job and may not always come with a lot of prestige, a School Board carries a LOT OF WEIGHT in the policy making and setting the future direction of ALL of our schools.
When Fulton converts over to Charter System, each school's going to face similar challenges that the FSAMS governing board is facing with the fiscal and policy management as the responsibility along with the authority will rest upon each school's board. This will be very complex for Fulton to manage and audit each year but that's the proposed route.
Smartie
11:59 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To "LD" ---
It doesn't matter that the teachers have collective bargaining or not because the Georgia Teacher's Union is in the league of top 3 most LOBBYISTS at the state capitol. A newly placed Super cannot act with such zeal and unapologetic arrogance towards the FSA parent community and FSA school administrators without having some powerful backups behind the scenes. Who could they be?
Hmm,mmm,mmm... ?????
MarkMunoz
3:01 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
LD loads and smartie and phat nate take the bait and run with it. Why?
Your school is still CLOSED. your lame excuses are too late and pointless. Finger pointing and not assuming responsibility for your actions is what got you into this web of lie that you now have to address with more lies and dishonesty?
No wonder your charter was revoked.
LD
4:47 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To Smartie: to reiterate, there is no "Georgia Teachers' Union." Also, which "...league of top 3 most LOBBYISTS (sic)" are you referring to? And as far as "powerful backups," irrc, the entire North Fulton legislative delegation signed a letter to the superintendent and school board chastising them for denying the charter in December. So, it obviously is NOT our local representatives. Who do you think is behind the scenes?
MarkMunoz
3:13 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Hey "Smartie"
If you were so Smart, why are you in the predicament you are in?
A DENIED charter and soon to be CLOSED school.
You might want to "hush" and use your energy, lies, and resources to salvage
your school as a private one. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper and somehow you have an attitude that you don't need to answer to Wells Fargo or anyone else.
If you put up the land as collateral for the loan, you do know that Wells Fargo will soon be the owner? You should speed dial TUSKON group to wire you a couple million so you don't fall further into default.
I am trying to give you sound advice, but you continue your arrogance and superior attitude that answering to the American Government is beneath you and only for others. Sorry bud, but you have to face the music for your behaviors.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:37 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
Again with th enasty attitude. You are a Midwestern woman. I know your mother taught you "if you don't have anything nice to say, then dont say anything at all".
Listen to you Momma Mary
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
3:19 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
It's Avossa's fault, it's Wells Fargo's fault, it is the County BOE, it is the IAG auditors, it is the State BOE (how dare they after we donated to campaigns $$) Everyone is picking on us, it is unfair. WAAaaaa, WAAAAaaaaa,
Keep blaming, and you will keep losing credibility. Come forward with an apology to the community and the students. Something like this: "We realize that we had some ambitious goals and dreams but made some mistakes on the way as all companies and schools have done." "This is what we have learned from these mistakes and we hope to move forward in our community in the spirit of transparency to improve our future at ______________ (whatever you will re name your private school)
If you admit your mistakes and professional shortcommings you will have more people on your side. Instead of not assuming a shared responsibility with the BOE.
Trust me, it will make it easier for you and save your reputation.
Glad to help.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:39 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary
Where do we go to be listened to? Is there a forum?
THe WAAaaaa WAAAaaaaa is unbecoming a lady, please Mary, be a bit more polite
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
6:53 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Hey FSA and FSA ES Fatherl
I will listen to my "momma" if you stop listening to Babacan Gulen. He is giving you bad advice. You do know he is returning to Turkey soon? Yep, he is packing up and running away and you will soon follow him to avoid paying back the loan and serving any federal time.
I just have one suggestion on that note. You should live quickly before your passports are frozen and you have to stay and face the charges.
MarkMunoz
3:47 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Terry commented
"Actually, the audit even said the bookkeeping was very well organized and that the accountant could easily pull up any information they requested..."
It actually stated they were obstructing and not cooperative. Get your facts straight.
Seriously, you waste times on issues that are not helping you. Spend your time with the suggestions I have left on here and you might be able to move forward and salvage your private school. But if you choose to keep blaming, lying and bringing up issues that are done it is pointless and only serves to destroy what little credibility you have left.
Move on. Take those suggestions I have left and see how much further you get when you have made yourself a partner with the community, school district, etc.,
The F. Gulen Web site has already mentioned FSA on their web site and how your are protesting the audit's accuracies. If you think there is no connection between FSA and the Gulen operated schools in the USA and worldwide. You have no clue about how non- Special FSA was, it was a cookie cutter of the other Gulen operated schools.
Nothing special or unique. Please take my suggestions and move forward.
Continue to blame and you will get more of the same.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:42 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
I haven't seen a positive suggestion from you yet. Everything is crowded out by your snipes and I am smarter than you diatribe.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
3:54 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Terry states:
. "Of course, I'm making a big assumption that you even are American here - your frequent use of terms I've never even heard of before makes me wonder. NOT all Turkish people are terrorists with plots and conspiracies, and NOT all Muslims should be tied with 9/11 - it's ignorant and unexcusable."
Terry, the Gulen Movement has nothing to do with religion it is a political, business and social movement designed to gain share of power in many areas as their hocaefendit instructs: education, poliltics, media, judiciary system, police and now in Turkey they are infiltrating the military.
This is a Cult, not a religion. Sufism hiding behind Rumi, Nursi (both Persians) with Gulen's interpretations of how the world should be according to Gulen. This has not been embraced by others. Even though Gulen has translated his books into urdu, farsi, arabic, indonesian, Kurdish, etc, it isn't working.
stay on topic, it has nothing to do with religion. it has to do with transparency, and lack of personal responsibility.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:44 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
You and Prof have tied Turks to HAMAS and the PLO. How do you think the typical Americian will see this. In other posts, you are said to have a Turkish husband. If you are blessed with children I hope they aren;t tarred with the same broad brush you use to smear these Turkish led schools.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
6:57 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
FSA MS and FSA ES Father;
I am smart, I am not the one with the failed school that is closing down.
I was trying to help these American parents because i think in some ways they might be a bit naive about Hizmet. Shortly, you will see how the American parents are questioning your behavior and the enrollment will drop to less than 100 kids.
Wells Fargo is calling back the loan and / or will own the property. They will not keep you there because you cannot be trusted. Wells Fargo will open their own school operated by financial experts and you will be out looking for a location for your private school and no one will lease to you.
Sounds like what happened to Knoxville Charter Academy..in America we call it "the deep freeze"
Bob Pepalis
3:57 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Thanks to an FSA parent for alerting me to the new, redacted version of the report from the auditors. I had called the Fulton School System asking about this, but had not been notified it had been changed.
MarkMunoz
5:52 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Bob;
How is the redacted version different from the original version?
In legal practice, "redacted" simply means an overview that omits fine points, but still gives the same outcomes.
These poolr parents are really grasping at straws if they think the outcome will change the status of the closed school.
Bob Pepalis
6:41 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Most names of participants in school trips--particularly those of students--are blocked out.
tom deeb
12:11 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
To all:
Fulton County has not removed the names of all the children in the report. What is worse prior to the newer version that is out links to the board docs was published in anti-gulan hate web sites and still is.
I would ask that all newspapers remove the redacted version until such time as all of the children's names have been removed.
You are exposing the names of children to individuals that have been convicted of cyber harassment and in one case a person from the anti-gulan blogs physically attacked an individual that had been the focus of the cyber harassment.
For the safety of our children please remove document unless you are 100% sure that all children's names have been removed.
MarkMunoz
7:02 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
FSA MS and FSA ES FAther;
Wow, tell us how you really feel wishing bad on other people's children?
I never smeared your Turkish led Schools, you have done a good job of smearing yourself with your behaviors.
Did you really think you were going to get away with not paying back the loan to Wells Fargo? Wait till they call back the loan and you are no where to be found.
Can all of the American tax money fit in your suit case when you flee the country?
Hamas and PLO --yes Turkey does have those ties but it is not important or relevant to the closure of this school.
It is simple, you cannot be trusted with American money and do not possess the proper skills, education and even grammar to be teaching children.
If dancing the Kolbasti is your idea of success, these kids are in big trouble when they move on to other schools. I just hope they are not too far behind the other kids coming from non-Gulenist schools.
The best defense is a good offense
5:46 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@Terry, 8:17 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
"Lisa, you're just another example of the xenophobic conspiracy theorists ...the "Red Scare" of the 50's...or the Salem Witch Trials. So every Muslim is a terrorist? Every Muslim is plotting against the US? They're all just trying to convert us to Islam?"
WOW, Terry, really? NO one ever said or indicated that in any way. There are a number of predominantly (exclusively?) Muslim schools in Alpharetta. If this had to do with religion, don't you think those schools would have come under fire? Amana Academy actually got a TREMENDOUS amount of community support when they wanted to relocate to Windward (of course, people in the area didn't want the traffic - nobody ever does). So, Terry, give it a rest on the "bigot" charge!
FSA's governing board documents (profit and loss statements, balance sheets, minutes of the meetings with all unanimous votes, budget, etc.) for the last couple years or so are available at http://www.fsamiddle.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2618&Itemid=201. Did anyone else notice that the spending priorities of a SCIENCE academy seem strange? Tiny budget for science labs but international field trips a top priority. I'd rather you explain this, Terry, than make false accusations against concerned taxpayers.
MarkMunoz
6:15 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To "the best defense is a good offense"
Your comments and others have given some very sincere suggestions to these ranting parents to turn this bad predicament around.
I fear, they will continue down the same path and not accept blame or responsibility. They cannot hope to continue with this attitude.
Any tax payer can view the 990 IRS tax returns of Grace Institute and Fulton Educational Services for free at http://www.guidestar.com. THey can draw their own conclusions that the numbers and expenses don't jive. There is even a travel expense of $21,000, and Mr. Sener accepted money from one of these groups for "services" so does that mean Mr. Sener was double dipping salaries..1 for principal the other for ??
There are too many red flags on these 990 IRS tax returns, and the forensics audit dug deeper. Soon the other schools will be audited too, there may be enough red flags that the county BOE turns this over to the County District Attorney or to the State Attorney General's office.
If I was you parents I would stop trying to fight and become united with the county and state BOE. This "them vs. "Us" attitude will get you no where real fast, it already has gotten you a closed school.
Sincerely hope you can salvage your private school, please take our suggestions and start with looking into the mirror.
MarkMunoz
2:08 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Tom Deeb;
You seem a little paranoid to me, I wonder why you would care about all of this Gulen infiltation into the USA unless you truly have something more to do with Gulen's interests in Azerbaijan?
Watching you guys you are only digging yourself deeper into more problems and getting closer to having no school at all.
Get together with your board administrators immediately to salvage your school. Mr. Sener has already done the Gulen Shuffle with AJC "I have read Mr. Gulen's books, everyone in Turkey knows him, blah blah"
Make sure your group is on the same page with the way you are approaching this. with news releases and statements. Again, I am just trying to help you salvage the school, don't undermine yourself.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:50 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
You are trying to help people salvage the school? Really? You seem to be everywhere I look that denigrates Turks in education. How could you, such a hater of Turkish led schools actually believe this? Seems rather disingenuous. So does your posing as a man and not admitting your a paid anti-Gulenist.
Where did your crew come up with the Goose Network name. I must admit I like the Brand.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
2:15 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
To editor: Bob Pepalis
The Gulen Movement is additng the private names of individuals on here. Mary Addi link must be removed. She was a grant writer at their schools in Ohio (interesting why they would link Fulton Science Academy with Horizon Science Academy if they are not related) and is currently involved in a lawsuit along with her husband (an ex Gulenist) over the illegal use of "tuzuk" in their employment contract, thereby exploiting foreign workers. They have since paid back the $13,000 in immigration fees stolen from Ohio's educational funds.
Please remove those links that the Gulenist have put on here.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
3:52 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Editor,
Please contact me, you have my email. I can provide the links to MarkMunoz. A simple Goolge and some cross linking will sort this out.
tom deeb
2:19 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Dear Mary,
Thank-you for your comments and suggestions but you may want to also publish your full name as well as all the alias so that the readers can know who is blogging.
It is my understanding that you have a few alias these are just a few.
Constantine Petropulos, Lillian Moore, Steve Moore, Frank Fontaine, Marie Lewis, Frank Monroe, Ann Whitefield, Clara Montell, Marie, Mark Morales, Frank Moore, Steve Winston, Lisa Monroe, Mark Bears, Lisa Martell, Joe, MsMarie, Sonia, Frank Bradshaw, John De Sala, Bob Martin, George Matthews, Lisa Van Fleet, Mark Munoz, Steve Garth, SteveFranklin, Robert Moore, Marie Erbil, Gina Craven, Elif Oz
Which explains why some of the comments on this blog and others seem to be from the same person just a name change.
Keep writing as freedom of speech is one of the tenants of our American values.
MarkMunoz
2:50 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Tom Deeb'
Sure as soon as you take off your mask and start talking about your ties in Azerbaijan with Gulen interests. (that makes you very uncomfortable)
Sadly, for you and your school you are sinking, lower and lower into the quick sand and probably won't have a school at all.
For your information,,,,there are many people worldwide that are trying to expose and educate Americans on the Gulen Movement. 1 year ago most in the USA had never heard of him. Now with American educators, and many other groups the Gulen Information is getting out their at a rapid pace.
In the USA your closed school Fulton Science Academy joins the ranks of 92 other Gulen operated schools that have been denied expansion, renewals and applications.
Tom, where you failed was not being honest and refusing to see that Fulton Science Academy was nothing special or unique as these schools are identical to one another. Take a look at some of these schools and research. If you don't feel duped you will at least acknowledge they are one and the same group. (I am assuming you are telling the truth that you have no knowledge of Gulen's business with Raytheon and Azerbaijan)
Horizon Science Academy
Fulton Science Academy
Harmony Science Academy
Mokapu STEM School
Knoxville Charter Academy
Coral Science Academy
Magnolia Science Academy
Sonoran Science Academy
Abramson Science And Technology
a more comprehensive look at:
http://www.charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com
glad to help.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
4:00 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mark / Mary,
You mentioned Tom associations with Raytheo and Gulen. Raytheon is the 5th largest US Defense Contractor in the US.
If you have knowledge that implicates then in supporting illegal activities you are legally bound to contact the authorities. The FBI is the place to start. http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field/jurisdictions?
It is your legal obligation as a citizen.
http://goosenetwork.tumblr.com/post/10570103524/marys-story-a-former-gulen-charter-school
MarkMunoz
3:17 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Tom STOP using the children in this ugly game, that is a Gulen tactic.
Tom what about your schools affilations? Honestly I feel the Gulen connection is minor, it is the lying, lack of transparency and your defaulted loan that are the biggest issues. You and Angela seem to fight very hard for these people, I hope you have not given your personal funds for this private school? What is your investment in all of this?
The multiple affiliations of the following individuals, both past and present, give further evidence of FSA's connection to the Gulen Movement:
Isa Afacan
•Fulton TEACH High School
•Istanbul Center (Gulenist organization)
Emre Akbaba (a.k.a. David Condor)
•Teacher, Fulton Science Academy (2005-06)
•Principal, Orlando Science Middle School (2009-10) (Gulen charter school)
Cevdet Akbay
•Fulton Science Academy board member
•petitioner for Cape Fear STEM School (proposed Gulen charter school in North Carolina)
•Quoted in Turkish newspaper article as saying he is a follower of Fethullah Gulen
MarkMunoz
3:19 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART II
Baybars Bakay
•Fulton Science Academy computer science teacher
•Istanbul Center (Gulenist)
•Turkish Olympiad of the Southeast (Gulenist)
•Nile Foundation (Gulenist)
•Turkish American Islamic Center of Florida (Gulenist)
•Domain registrant for Gulenist website gulenschools.org [N.B.: subsequent to the posting of this page, the domain registrant name was changed; however, screenshots have been saved as evidence that Baybars Bakay of Alpharetta GA was the original registrant; see image at bottom of page. Historical domain name registration information can be accessed by anyone who wishes to verify this, but generally a fee is required.]
•Grace Institute for Educational Research and Resources (Gulenist)
•Former Treasurer of the Cosmos Foundation
Note: The Houston-based Cosmos Foundation is affiliated with the Gulen Movement. The Harmony Science Academy schools, Dove Science Academy schools in Oklahoma, the Pelican Foundation which in turn runs charter schools in Louisiana, and the science fair ISWEEEP are all under the auspices of Cosmos.
MarkMunoz
3:20 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART III
Murat Cetin
•Principal, Fulton Sunshine Academy
•Teacher, Assistant Principal, Fulton Science Academy Middle School
•Founder, Principal, Sweetwater Branch Academy (Gulen charter school in Florida)
•Assistant Principal, Stars Middle School (Gulen charter school in Florida)
Ahmet Dastan a.k.a. Ahmed Dastan, Matt Dastan
•Fulton Science Academy, science teacher
•Cosmos Foundation of Georgia
•BAKIAD, Turkey-based partner of the Niagara Foundation
•guide/leader of Turkey trips organized by the Gulen Movement
Note: The Cosmos Foundation, the main branch of which is in Texas, is a major non-profit of the Gulen Movement. The Niagara Foundation in Chicago is also a prominent Gulenist organization. BAKIAD subsidizes numerous Turkey trips for Americans; some are "interfaith" and some are organized through schools.
Mustafa Deniz
•Former employee, Fulton Science Academy
•Principal, Sonoran Science Academy, Phoenix AZ
•Former IT/IS Administrator, Sonoran Science Academy, Phoenix AZ
Note: Sonoran Science Academy is affiliated with the Gulen Movement. See Arizona Daily Star articles: SSA, Gulen Movement, and several of reporter Tim Steller's blog posts from April, May 2010.
MarkMunoz
3:20 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART IV
Tahir Duzyol
•Fulton Science Academy
•Graduate of Yamanlar Science High School (located in Turkey, run by Gulen Movement)
•Outreach director, Istanbul Center, Atlanta, GA (Gulenist)
•Involved with Peace Valley Foundation, Alabama (Gulenist)
Ismail Fidan
•Fulton Science Academy governing board
•Coral Academy of Science (Gulen charter school in Nevada) grant writing and fundraising
•Board Member, Nashville Charter Middle School (proposed Gulen charter school in Tennessee that never materialized)
Fethi Goktepe (a.k.a. Timothy Bluehill)
•Fulton Science Academy teacher
•Principal, Sweetwater Branch Academy charter school, Florida
Note: Sweetwater Branch Academy is a Gulen charter school.
MarkMunoz
3:21 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART V
Tuba Aktaran-Kalayci
• Wife of Altan Kalayci
•Participated in Istanbul Center events such as Annual Dialogue Dinners
Note: The Istanbul Center is affiliated with the Gulen Movement.
Altan Kalayci
• Istanbul Cultural Center
•Global Spectrum Foundation
•Judge at Turkish Olympics which Fulton Science Academy students participate in
•Participated in interfaith meeting with pope: “He came to the memorial Mass with his colleague Altan Kalayci; they strive to promote cultural understanding and interfaith dialogue through the Istanbul Cultural Center in Atlanta. He said the Vatican ambassador in Turkey has a very good relationship with Muslim leaders there and one of their leading scholars, Fethullah Gulen, visited the Vatican in 1998.”
Note: Global Spectrum Foundation is a Gulenist umbrella organization running the Istanbul Center. The Turkish Olympics, a.k.a. Turkish Olympiad, is run by the Gulen Movement.
MarkMunoz
3:22 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART VI
Mustafa Kececi
•Fulton Science Academy Board Member
• Vice President & Treasurer, Member, Board of Directors, TACC Southeast (Turkish American Chamber of Commerce of the Southeast United States)
Note: TACC Southeast is a Gulenist organization, as evidenced by the following statement on the Istanbul Center website: “The purpose of the meeting was to brief Governor Perdue about Istanbul Center, telling him about its events and programs, as well as those for the Turkish American Chamber of Commerce of the Southeast (TACC Southeast), a sister organization.”
Ayhan Korucu
•President Of Fulton Science Academy Middle School Governing Board
•Founding Member of Fulton Science Academy, Inc.
•Istanbul Center, Development Member and Volunteer
•Judge, Turkish Olympiad of the Southeast US
•Global Spectrum Foundation
•President, Board of Directors, : TACC Southeast (Turkish American Chamber of Commerce of the Southeast United States)
Note: The Global Spectrum Foundation runs the Istanbul Center. The Istanbul Center, TACC Southeast and the Turkish Olympiads are part of the Gulen Movement.
MarkMunoz
3:23 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART VII
Tuncay Kucuktas
•Board member and CFO, Fulton Science Academy
•Board of Directors, TACC Southeast
Note: TACC Southeast is a Gulenist organization.
Ebru Oncul
•Teacher, Fulton Science Academy
•Istanbul Center (Gulenist; member of Turkic American Alliance)
•Wife of Fatih Oncul, who has multiple connections with the Gulen Movement (see below)
Fatih Oncul
•Husband of teacher Ebru Oncul, Fulton Science Academy
• Board Member, Paterson Charter School of Science and Technology (Gulen charter school in NJ)
•Judge, Turkish Olympiads of the Southeast US (competition run by Gulen Movement)
•Director, Snowdrop Education Services; founder of Snowdrop Science Academy (private Gulen school in Pennsylvania, which has ceased operations)
•Volunteered to organize public seminars through Interfaith Dialog Center, New Jersey (Gulenist organization)
•Advisor for Pioneer Academy of Science (private Gulen school in NJ)
•Volunteered for Bosphorous Education Corporation (tutoring and ESL business run by the Gulen Movement)
MarkMunoz
3:24 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART VIII
Bekir Ozcan (a.k.a. Bekir Ozchan)
•Fulton Science Academy lead petitioner
•Cosmos Foundation of Georgia
Note: The Cosmos Foundation of Georgia is affiliated with the Gulen Movement.
Ali Ozer
•Fulton Educational Services, Inc.
•Board President of the Fulton Sunshine Academy elementary school
•Grace Institute for Educational Research and Resources, Inc, as per IRS Form 990 (Gulenist organization)
•Assistant Principal, TEACH (Technology Enriched Accelerated Charter High School), now renamed Fulton Science Academy High School
•Outreach Committee Member, Istanbul Center for Culture and Dialogue (Gulenist organization)
•Chairman of the planning committee for Greenville Science Charter School (proposed Gulen charter school in South Carolina) http://www.swampfox.ws/trustees-deny-charter-for-new-science-school
•Participated in Interfaith Dialog Dinner at the Intercultural Dialogue Association, Alabama (Gulenist organization)
•Wife Mirkena Ozer wrote article for Fountain Magazine about Ali Ozer
•1993-96 Teacher, Gulistan schools - Gulistan Educational Institutions, in Turkish Gulistan Egitim Kurumlari http://www.gulistan.edu.al/ (private Gulen schools in Kosovo)
•1996-98 Writer, consultant, Surat Publishing (Gulenist)
Note: Fountain Magazine is a major publication of the Gulen Movement; Fethullah Gulen writes the lead article for each issue.
MarkMunoz
3:25 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
PART VIIII
FINALLY TO KENAN SENER< if this doesn't convince Tom he has been made a fool of then he will never get that private school. Tom get away from this group they will destroy you. You will see another side to them when they don't get their way.
Kenan Sener
•Principal, Fulton Science Academy
•Wrote article for Fountain Magazine (Gulenist publication)
•Led group of students attending summer program at Gulenist religious school in Turkey
Namik Sercan
•Board President of the Fulton Sunshine Academy
•Grace Institute for Educational Research and Resources, Inc (Gulenist)
•Assistant Principal, TEACH
•Author, Fountain Magazine (Gulenist publication)
Alper Tekten
•Assistant Principal of Triad Math and Science Academy, North Carolina
•Board Member, proposed Wake Math and Science Academy, North Carolina
•Fulton Science Academy/teacher (“internship”) and “assisted the governing board of the school with the renewal process of the charter which was approved for another five years…During his internship, he helped and consulted several other charter school applications in Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, and North Carolina including Triad Math and Science Academy. He also helped two charter schools in Florida to be established and recruit students.”
Note: Triad Math and Science Academy, the proposed Wake Math and Science Academy and the schools referred to in other states are all Gulen charter schools.
MarkMunoz
3:37 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Another pathetic misguided feature of Gulenists is they think that having the last word on a comment board means they have won something?
They have won nothing and will continue to see more closed Gulen managed and operated charter schools. He who speaks last, is the one who loses.
I think we all know that Fulton Science Academy has lost. Move on.
Bill
3:38 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
I been reading through the comments and again as predictable as ever The same person with multi accounts going on the personal attacks and data mining on anyone who speaks out against Gulen Charter Schools. People should ask themselves if it is really alright for a Turkish Cult follower to come onto the boards pretending to be a happy go lucky parent on every news story that comes out? For a business who puts up websites and blogs to personally attack journalist, parents, state officials and ex teachers who speak out? In Turkey this cult is so strong they will have you thrown in jail on trumped charges. In Turkey they will ruin your business In Turkey in some cases it speculated has been linked to a few murders (I have the information) That being said and the use lies and deception and what lengths they will go to suppress any evidence of the crimes and abuses of others, is this really a good place for children? Should our tax dollars really be spent on enabling them and these kinds of behaviors
Bill
3:41 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Here is the guy "FSA MS and FSA ES Father" aka GooseHunter aka HSAParent aka John Goose Hunter who opened a twitter account pretending to be lawyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwlyN_YR7Vk
Your cults antics on the internet or laughably predictable. You should focus more on how you are going to pay back that you robbed instead of piddling around on the webs. As far as private school goes Good Luck! I'm sensing jail time for these guys. Maybe you can GED lessons to convicts. After the bank forecloses on that property you will not have a private school. Therefore anyone who puts money to keep there kid there is a sucker will lose that deposit. They put that out there as a last chance to rob the public once again. Georgia has been conned.
FSA MS and FSA ES Father
11:36 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
Bill,
Sorry to burst your bubble. I am a parent with a child at FSA ES. I had a child at FSA MS, but when the FCBOE made their decision in December I moved quickly to ensure my eldest had a place in a private school.
I haven't made chasing Gulen an avocation or a vocation. I just want my kids to get a decent / great education and not be afraid to go to school. That is something the FSA MS offered.
What I have seen in your postings, and the ones that also look like they were written by you, is just a very denigrating attitude towards parents who feel that the FSA schools offer a better place for their children.
I have actually learned a lot from these postings and I can see why so many people in Dunwoody, Alpharetta, Roswell and Sandy Springs are angry, flummoxed or just surprised about FSA MS and their Board. Having said that the FSA parent community absolutely feels that the County gave us short shrift before FSA MS was shut down.
The vast amount of Gulen related information makes for interesting and enlightening reading. When wrapped in snarky, pedantic, and insulting rhetoric, it makes one pause and consider the sources of this information.
MarkMunoz actually started off with a measured tone in this blog / thread and then reverted back to type. If you and your crew could stay with a fact based approach I think you can advance your agenda. Without a more assuaging tone, you will turn off most Americans. Think Honey versus Vinegar.
MarkMunoz
7:16 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Why does Baybars Bakay have so many Gulenschools.org registered to his name?
Hmmm maybe he is GH? Naw, he is the video producer? Nope he is or was a computer teacher at FSA. No way, now he lives in Texas.
Bill
7:52 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Relax GooseHunter isnow the Goose Hunted !! Taken care of. ;)
Javier Juanez
10:20 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Dear MarkMunoz,
Most people are sending the posts to share their comments about their school or community as they have time which is very usual.
However, what you are doing is very unusual and full of question marks.
The people you are accusing for several reasons are trying to give quality education to our community successfully for 10 years. You may not like their education system but many people think they are doing their job professionally.
The community and the government know who they are, where they live, what are their names etc… if there were a threat to the community, or illegal issues the government would not let this people run the school for ten years and now opening a private school.
On the other hand, we don’t know who you are, where you live, your name, what is your real purpose, and who has hired you attack these people etc…
“FSA MS and FSA ES Father” has posted the below link about you. Are these claims about you correct? Were you fired from a school because you were illegally working for another company? Are you posting comments with many listed fake names? Are you actually a female? …etc.
I believe you need to answer these questions before you write any post to anybody. If you do I am not sure if anybody takes you seriously.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/mary+addi
MarkMunoz
12:13 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
No se Javier
es Ergenekon
Javier Juanez
7:21 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
I am not sure what you mean by saying "ergenekon" but it seems you don't agree with these claims. Thanks for the clarification.
Mary Addi
12:37 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
My name is Mary Addi, and I have no idea why any of of the bloggers on this site are so interested in me. Let me be very clear here, I do not write under any aliases, my website, http://www.charterschoolwatchdog.com, is the only moniker other than my real name, that I use now or have used in the past. There is no secretive grand plot in action here, my website has been in operation for over four years and is operated by me without any form of financial subsidies as is repeatedly implied by the person(s) writing about me. And secondly, since the person(s) that continously defames me and provides information that is both false and slanderous, it should be noted that you are currently being investigated in preparation for both civil and legal actions rendered against you. So keep writing and posting false information about me, because you are only bolstering the cases against you. Stick to the issues at hand instead of trying to deflect audit findings.
MarkMunoz
12:08 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
NORTH FULTON, article on historical problems at FSA:
"The inaugural school year was only halfway through in 2003 when Fulton County School System officials were drawn into what was described as "serious problems" on the governing board of the FSA. According to a news article published in March 2003 in Appen Newspapers, "a serious rift has developed on the [FSA] board of directors over who is in control, essentially splitting the seven-member board into two factions with each side accusing the other of illegal activities."
Parent members of the school's governing board sought to remove the principal, Selim Ozdemir, but maintained they were stymied by the founding trustees who essentially took over as the majority on the governing board.
The founding board originated the charter for the school and was responsible only for running the nonprofit aspects of the school.
Parent members of the governing board said the trustees were supposed to cease activities related to the management of the school once the governing board was in place. Instead, the trustees appointed themselves into control of the governing board."
If this new group of parents don't feel duped they should.
A Parent
10:47 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Read some facts about Gulen Charter Schools Myth: http://so-calledgulencharterschools.blogspot.com/